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I didn't "dominate everything", I refuted a point you made about your counter-BBT premise (can't call it much more than that), and I was on topic. If you wish to call yourself "dominated" by my argument, so be it.

To refute siomething means to prove it untrue. You did not make any rational arguments at all and so you certainly didn't refute anything. You presented a counter-opinion, which didn't address what I was discussing and which was certainly not backed by anything other than assumption.

One more thing before I go to bed. Long day tomorrow.

If you stop trying to be what you never will be and learn to better recognise your strengths and weaknesses, then your gift for self-expression and also for rhetoric would mean that you could really amount to something far beyond what you're aiming for at the moment.

But you would have to learn trust, because not only do we have to trust others but we also have to trust ourselves.

You apparently don't have a counter to my on-topic point, so...consider yourself refuted until you do.

Stow the condescending drivel. I run rings around you routinely, not that this is a point of pride given the low bar...

You didn't refute anything and there was nothing to be countered. Only an opinion which didn't address the subject-matter. I'm not going to have a discussion with you about Big Bangs or black holes or whatever it was, while you're under the illusion that it somehow addressed something. Better to look to the comment I just made about recognising your strengths and weaknesses.

You simply aren't playing to your strengths. You're good at technical understanding where there's something more material than this to measure your performance by. The friends that you look to aren't good judges so they only provide confirmation-bias. The fact that you're influenced by them shows and it's better to drop that kind of person.

Also, stop trying to win points or impress people. Start trying to more deeply understand what you're thinking about.

I made a valid point about your "gravity, space, and matter" premise. It also earned a "? ? ?" from Elroch, so it's hardly a misunderstanding on my part, rather, you don't know what you are talking about, and it shows quite readily.

It's ironic that the same person that claims I only ever "attack people" stonewalls and attacks me himself in avoidance of discussing his own premise. I assume you are just tired of getting shown up by someone you consider "inferior" and wish to avoid any chances of it happening yet again. Otherwise, why not field the simple question of how gravity is going to do what your premise entails?

"The universe probably begins as very very cold (virtually absolute zero) and with a density of near zero. Gravity and the existence of space and matter do the rest. Space will have an intrisic expansion, hence the illusion of expanding from a central point,"

If space in your steady state universe has an intrinsic expansion, and your "beginning" state is density of matter near zero, how is gravity going to overcome the expansion and form galaxies, and ones that are currently receding from each other? And if it *does* overcome the intrinsic expansion, then you seem to be positing the long term collection of all matter into a small space...which will eventually lead to...?

Your premise is the one that seems to show little thought.

I have met five astrophysicists in my life but have never met a cosmologist. Where did you meet cosmologists @Optimissed? Is there a cosmologist chess club here on CDC?

Yes, the annotation was meant to indicate that there was a lot to explain (ahem).

Here is @Optimissed's pronouncement again:

"The universe probably begins as very very cold (virtually absolute zero) and with a density of near zero. gravity and the existence of space and matter do the rest."

So we start with something like intergalactic space. So virtually no matter or gravity. Then the rest of the job is delegated to "the existence of space and matter".

Que?? This is just glib meaninglessness.

This forum is lowkey wild with 2 grown men arguing over if the heart is flat.

Nobody outgrows argument. Sometimes they grow with it.

Yea your right

And my left

Earth is definetly round tho

Ellipsoid

same thing

Is a circle flat and round?

roundish

Earth is going to have low self esteem issues soon enough.

A pint's a pound the world around.