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That is incorrect. There exists solid/valid FE explanations of the stars/constellations of both the northern and southern hemispheres. Not my problem that you have failed to do the necessary investigation/research in order to locate/understand them. 

It appears that you also fail to understand that these heliocentric "scientists" did not gain any wisdom from observations of the already mapped out constellations etc. All they did was assume/imagine/postulate a heliocentric model/system. Once those assumptions/imaginations were/are "intact" they attempted/attempt to create mathematics to fit those imaginations...not observations. 

That is why heliocentric theories change, as you have pointed out. Beginning with Copernicus claiming the sun approximately 3 million miles away etc. etc. etc.

I do not understand why that appears to be beyond your comprehension/understanding!?

I believe you are just being coy! ?

Please tell me how in the heck anyone can claim that Copernicus first "observed" a sun 3 million miles away and then decided upon a heliocentric model? 

Eratosthenes first imagined a distant sun and a spherical earth before his little shadow experiments. He could have just as easily proved a stationary level earth had he first went with his own observations and the demonstrably locale sun/light source. 

 

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noodles2112 wrote:

That is incorrect. There exists solid/valid FE explanations of the stars/constellations of both the northern and southern hemispheres.

No, there definitely are not. Note also that the existence of a southern HEMISPHERE is also a feature of the ball-shaped Earth.

It appears that you also fail to understand that these heliocentric "scientists" did not gain any wisdom from observations of the already mapped out constellations etc. All they did was assume/imagine/postulate a heliocentric model/system.

The constellations are observed to be distributed in a rigid, unchanging, geometrical SPHERE, fixed over both time (seconds to years) and location up to tiny angles. Here is a description of the sky as seen from any location on the planet.

  1. The hemisphere of the Earth determines which pole of the sky you can see.
  2. The pole of the sky is at an angle equal to the latitude angle from the equator
  3. The sky rotates around the appropriate pole at every location

There is definitely no flat earth explanation for this. Flat Earthers aren't even aware the South Pole exists! (Note that at the South Pole, the sky simply rotates around the zenith, during the 24 hour winter nights). Just like at the North Pole (but the opposite pole of the sky). There is no overlap between the part of the sky visible at the two poles - it is the two HEMISPHERES of the sky (for locations near the poles but not at them, the overlap is the stars near the plane of the ecliptic - where the zodiac constellations are located. This is the equator of the sky.

 

Eratosthenes first imagined a distant sun and a spherical earth before his little shadow experiments. He could have just as easily proved a stationary level earth had he first went with his own observations and the demonstrably locale sun/light source.

No.

A simple fact he discovered was that the North Pole of the sky fell to a lower angle as he moved South. This angle is the latitude and gives the tilt of the ground relative to that at the same longitude on the equator.

No-one can ever see Polaris from the entire Southern hemisphere (they can infer from the location of other stars that it is PERMANENTLY BELOW THE HORIZON.

You have no explanation for that.

My task is very difficult. I have to give you the capability to understand things like the above.  You will be too lazy even to address the key points, I predict.

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Okay. Then north/south of the equator (not hemisphere). You are correct. The terminology for the ball earth is numerous e.g. atmosphere, thermosphere, ionosphere etc. 

Indeed, Polaris cannot be seen at certain distances below the equator. 

That is not proof of a spherical earth at all. That is due to perspective. 

You said it yourself, the further south the observer travels the Lower Polaris gets...until it is not visible. 

Once again, globe believers think if the earth is flat then Japan would be visible from California. They appear to not be able to grasp/comprehend the law of perspective. 

Ever look out and see clouds in the distance? Do they appear to be level with the horizon? Yes they do. Is that because of "earths curvature"? Of course not. All about perspective and vanishing point. 

That is one event that globe believers always get tricked into thinking that objects disappear behind a curve of the earth. These objects, whether they be boats/ships or even the setting sun itself, can be brought back into view with telescopic cameras. But even telescopic cameras/telescopes etc. have limits. 

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noodles2112 wrote:

Okay. Then north/south of the equator (not hemisphere). You are correct. The terminology for the ball earth is numerous e.g. atmosphere, thermosphere, ionosphere etc. 

Indeed. All good terminology. But note that the map of the sky consists of two hemispheres - printed as disks - which join on the circle that bounds them both.  This is topologically a sphere and is not going to stop being so.

Indeed, Polaris cannot be seen at certain distances below the equator. 

No. Polaris cannot be seen more than 1 degree below the equator. This is how far it is from the true pole.

That is not proof of a spherical earth at all. That is due to perspective. 

That makes no sense at all.

You said it yourself, the further south the observer travels the Lower Polaris gets...until it is not visible. 

See above for a more precise version.

Likewise, the South Pole of the sky (only faint stars near there, but it is a clearly defined point) is not visible at any location in the Northern hemisphere. and is permanently fixed in the sky for all locations in the Southern hemisphere. YOU CANNOT EXPLAIN THAT.

Once again, globe believers think if the earth is flat then Japan would be visible from California. They appear to not be able to grasp/comprehend the law of perspective. 

The entire world's educated population - to whom you refer - don't think that. Rayleigh scattering limits visibility to less than 300 km even where nothing else does.

They also fully understand the law of perspective while you certainly do not according to that weird claim.

Ever look out and see clouds in the distance? Do they appear to be level with the horizon? Yes they do. Is that because of "earths curvature"? Of course not. All about perspective and vanishing point. 

No.

That is one event that globe believers always get tricked into thinking that objects disappear behind a curve of the earth. These objects, whether they be boats/ships or even the setting sun itself, can be brought back into view with telescopic cameras.

Only in the imaginations of deluded fools.

Here is a sequence of real photos of a ship beyond the horizon. It is not difficult to reproduce such sequences on any clear day. 


 

 

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Elroch - your little video. Do you HONESTLY believe that ship is disappearing due to curved water?

Here is one thing I have discovered when it comes to globe believers and flat earth. Globe believers can't seem to get the unobservable/incomprehensible distances out of their minds-eye. That is one reason why they see the flat earth as impossible. They picture a colossal fireball sun 10's of millions of miles away, stars trillions of miles/light years away, a moon 100's of thousands of miles away etc. When one looks at the celestial objects as being much closer to the face of the earth (as they actually are and observed to be), is when things begin to make sense. It's all about trusting what one actually observes....not what one imagines them to be. 

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Elroch -  why do clouds in the distance appear level with/at the horizon? 

Perspective or curvature of a ball earth? 

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OH I know

 

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because they were made by god

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to be that way

 

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RedSoldier - can you find/post a pic with clouds on the horizon? I am trying but they won't stay posted. TY!

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ok

 

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Beach at sunset with clouds

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Thank you RedSoldier. I finally got one to stick.

Now Elroch, Why do the clouds in the distance appear to be level with the horizon? 

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Because of god

 

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I think Elroch is an atheist. ??wink.png

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Hmmm ok

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Pushes nuke button*