OK ! Got it! You are talking about the "now", which is not a state of meditation.
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xming wrote:
troy7915 wrote:
xming wrote:
I think troy may be trying to say something for he is very unsettled in his posts. Try to clarify your thoughts.
Is it clearer now?
no.
The essence was this: practice is the essence of not understanding. I don't quite get something, but I hope through practice I will get it--little by little, today a bit, tomorrow a bit more.
And introducing the illusion of partial understanding I kill the understanding of the whole thing, in one single take. The seeing of the fragment is not different from the seeing of the whole. I cann't say I've understood this fragment but not the whole, because unless all the fragments are seen, and their relation to one another, seeing a fragment is a misnomer. And the fragment is part of the whole, seeing one is the same as seeing the other.
Practice is oblivious to any kind of seeing--the mechanically repeats, repeats and repeats some more. No intelligence in this mechanical mind.
xming wrote:
OK ! Got it! You are talking about the "now", which is not a state of meditation.
If meditation has nothing to do with now, then what good is it?
The purpose of meditation is to destroy the sense of an individual meditating and recognize that
Meditation is one's natural eternal state.
Don't meditate, be!
Don't think that you are, be!
Don't think about being, you are!
troy7915 wrote:
xming wrote:
OK ! Got it! You are talking about the "now", which is not a state of meditation.
If meditation has nothing to do with now, then what good is it?
Time is a mental construct. The state of Meditation is outside of time.
SaintGermain32105 wrote:
Eleventeen !!!
Going to the movies now. I need my fix on mayhem.
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Nikprit wrote:
troy7915 wrote:
I quite agree with your last comment.
I am in point A and I want to get to point B. A map is very helpful, otherwise it's just hit and miss. We need maps to arrive to point B--it's much more efficient than moving about aimlessly.
But what happens when point B is moving all the time? By the time I get to B, it is long gone and I need to get to C, which by the time I get there it's gone already. This is exactly what practice achieves, in this area: nothing but wind, a place where point B was long ago but it isn't anymore. And the state of such a mind is one of moving from one 'has been' point to another 'has been' point. Always behind the real movement. So they are both moving, only one is moving with friction whereas the other has none--the true fluid state.
There are no conditions for insight to happen, no ways of forcing it to happen; the intention to force it, to make it happens is but destroying it.
Above all, there are no blueprints to something which is in constant movement. By the time I type a letter it is long gone: how can there be a blueprint to a moment that lasts way less than a second?
The mind is in contant movement. The stillness/calmness which is there - is always there, it is never not there, it is ever present. Though the mind is not. The cognitive mind by its functioning, by its very nature is trapped in movement.
You do not go from being a 5 year old and jump immeadiately to become a 10 year old. There is a growth period. Similarily with meditation, there is a growth in various elements of consciousness.
You do not use maps when you are meditating neccessarily. You are too involved in the mindfulness aspect - you are not projecting anywhere - the immeadiate now, the present moment is the focal point.
Thinking could be considered a hinderance at advanced stages of meditaiton. There can still be acute awareness however, concentrated mindfulness.
I think you are associating the cognitive mind with altered states of meditative consciousness.
Awareness does not require cognitive functioning. There are different levels to awareness.
According to those who are said to be enlightened - calmness is a pre-requisite to insight.
Or so I have heard.
Thank you.
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Troy how can you meditate but not meditate . I get what you mean about letting go isn't truly letting go if it's for a purpose but how can a person truly let go ?
Also do you document your journey , write things down for instance ?
I really should read through this thread . I'm genuinely interested though some of the content seems very technical .
I'm pleased that a coherent conversation is being had . That's great .
Also do you document your journey , write things down for instance ?
I really should read through this thread . I'm genuinely interested though some of the content seems very technical .
I'm pleased that a coherent conversation is being had . That's great .
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Beard 327 love that . I'm reading the whole thread .
Till you were right . You had told me ! I'm sorry I missed it
Till you were right . You had told me ! I'm sorry I missed it
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I think I see where you are coming from more now Troy .
Again though are you saying that for you meditation isn't about any practice whatsoever ?
I mean are you meditating continually every day , or do you do something different and then your meditation begins ?
Also do you write notes ?
Again though are you saying that for you meditation isn't about any practice whatsoever ?
I mean are you meditating continually every day , or do you do something different and then your meditation begins ?
Also do you write notes ?
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Md I'm honest I can't value your opinion because you are continually vindictive . Whatever beliefs you hold and practices you adopt that aren't bringing you to a healthy place .
So what works for you isn't what I'd like to follow .
So what works for you isn't what I'd like to follow .
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Isn't meditation basically looking within?
I recognise talk of an anchor and that makes sense to me to a degree. So that we don't get lost in our thoughts.
Troy don't you at least have to want to look within to meditate ?
I recognise talk of an anchor and that makes sense to me to a degree. So that we don't get lost in our thoughts.
Troy don't you at least have to want to look within to meditate ?
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Thank you for all the post so far .
I was interested to hear that the idea is that nirvana can be reached through right behaviour .
It occurred to me that the whole point of an altered state is that it would change your behaviour positively .
Is nirvana no more than a great experience then ?
I was interested to hear that the idea is that nirvana can be reached through right behaviour .
It occurred to me that the whole point of an altered state is that it would change your behaviour positively .
Is nirvana no more than a great experience then ?
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In the Buddhist tradition 'calmness'/tranquility is a pre-requisite to insight.
There is a systematic development which is very well charted in various different schools of meditation.
ALL of them require a technique.
That meditation technique produces results.
The results of meditation practice are very well mapped.
For those people who have been meditating for long periods of time they 'experience' the results & then check to see if the maps are correct or not.
There are many signposts along the path of meditaton practice which have been 'throughly' documented by thousands upon thousands of people.
Who have invested 8 hrs per day or more to meditation.
If there were no results in a meditation practice - people would have ditched a long time ago.
Instead they are adopting meditation techniques into the health service here in the UK & I suspect in other places.
Therefore, I do not quite get, what you are talking about. And it seems other people who are familiar with meditation are probably wondering the exact same thing.
I quite agree with your last comment.
I am in point A and I want to get to point B. A map is very helpful, otherwise it's just hit and miss. We need maps to arrive to point B--it's much more efficient than moving about aimlessly.
But what happens when point B is moving all the time? By the time I get to B, it is long gone and I need to get to C, which by the time I get there it's gone already. This is exactly what practice achieves, in this area: nothing but wind, a place where point B was long ago but it isn't anymore. And the state of such a mind is one of moving from one 'has been' point to another 'has been' point. Always behind the real movement. So they are both moving, only one is moving with friction whereas the other has none--the true fluid state.
There are no conditions for insight to happen, no ways of forcing it to happen; the intention to force it, to make it happens is but destroying it.
Above all, there are no blueprints to something which is in constant movement. By the time I type a letter it is long gone: how can there be a blueprint to a moment that lasts way less than a second?