Catastrophy-Kitteh wrote:
i hope you and Steve get there in the next few million years tom. I am being sarcastic of course. the thinking brain will never know who inhabits it.
you're being sarcastic? Thanks for clarifying!Â
nirvana & meditation
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You have been told tom.
You want to reject the explanation once again?
Just admit it is beyond your level of comprehension.
Like higher math, it is not for everyone, no matter how hard they try. What ultimately happens is further confusion. Take my advice. Forget completely these questions you are obsessed with. Actually, it is a single question. You do not know yourself. That's ok. Not many people do. Best to live in ignorance and just be happy.
@ Chicken..focusing attention is a good way to describe meditation. By sight, by sound are but 2 ways. The technigues distract the mind from random thoughts. But I must emphasize, describing and talking of a technigue leads to misconceptions and if practiced without guidance leads to more harm than good.
Staring at a candle can lead to a state of hypnosis. Visual meditation is accomplished with the eyes closed, at least at early developement.
tom...
I'll share with you one time since you constantly ask of the benifits gained by meditation.
95% of the thoughts springing forth in your mind this moment and the next... are useless. They are random. Daydreams. Unfocused. Not under control.
Achieving a different state of mind (some call it a higher state) where the mind is free of constant, random thought allows the mind and body to relax. Almost like nourishment. You like the term "natural". Well over time the mind naturally is able to focus and concentrate in a more productive way. By being able to stop useless thought, one can learn to focus on productive thought.
Make any sense?
and it's not dangerous tom. before you master meditation you trolled the Internet and after your mind is operating from a new dimension, you may still troll the Internet.
Everyone gets a song in their head. You try to tell it to stop! But it won't, it'll keep repeating itself. You can't just on demand "command" your mind to think this or that. At least this applies to people lacking focus. Meditation is a way to "train" the mind, if that is correct explanation.
If you reject these 2 benifits I described as nonsense...
you have me convinced.
CC'S all time best Troll !!
Btw... Jake says it's time to unlock that door.
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Lucien_Quest wrote:
"Nirvana" is a pretty specific Sanskrit term, adapted from the Pali "Nibbana" (the language of the original Gautama Buddha), loosely translated as "extinguishment".
It's a state of being free of desires, i.e. not wanting to be in contact with that which one is not in contact with, and also not wanting to not be in contact with that which one is in contact with.
According to Buddhist texts, it can only be reached by comprehending the "Four Noble Truths" (which deliniate the pervasive discontent inherent in conditioned being) and following the "Eightfold Path" (right view, right resolve, right speech, right action, right work, right effort, right mindfulness, right concentration).
If any one of these elements of the path is not adhered to, Nirvana cannot be attained.
While some drug states can mimic the experience of Nirvana, and perhaps provide a glimpse of what one is aiming for, it's not a true state of enightenment, because the drug must wear off, and one must "descend" Â rapidly back to ordinary conciousness, which can be quite an unpleasant experience.
What is being described re meditation leading to a state of "no thought" is not equivalent to Nirvana as such, but is known as "Nirvikalpa Samadhi" in Sanskrit, and is the first of the higher stages of Samadhi (bliss).
Samadhi, until the final stage is reached (Satchidananda) is temporary by nature, and therefore inherently not a true representation of what Nirvana is like, or so I've heard.Â
Does astral projection fit in this somewhere?
Now you're making fun of us.
Can't say I don't deserve it.
I have performed astral projection.
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I really wasn't making fun of it:) I just was curious if astral projection is real, like does it fit into the whole meditation thing?
No
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Seems like if you can meditate to no place then you can meditate to some place, right?Â
trysts wrote:
I really wasn't making fun of it:) I just was curious if astral projection is real, like does it fit into the whole meditation thing?
It's either real, or my mind has played tricks on me. I studied it a bit. I have been a point of consciousness on several occasions. I could travel around and look at details that I coulnd't otherwise remember. For example, I could zoom in on my bike and count the number of spokes and every rivet in the chain. Perhaps it was just information stored in my mind that can't normally access...I may have accessed stored information during dreams. No, I'm not nuts. :)
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Cm 91.
I don't believe I need anyone to tell me what the nature of reality is . I can observe myself ! To me anyway there is no point in anyone telling you what the truth is . You have to see it for yourself .
That said I'm interested in people , what they believe and how this affects their lives .
That's not about them telling you what's the true nature of reality , you have to see that for yourself .
I'll admit though it's helpful and entertaining to have what you've seen put into context .
I don't believe I need anyone to tell me what the nature of reality is . I can observe myself ! To me anyway there is no point in anyone telling you what the truth is . You have to see it for yourself .
That said I'm interested in people , what they believe and how this affects their lives .
That's not about them telling you what's the true nature of reality , you have to see that for yourself .
I'll admit though it's helpful and entertaining to have what you've seen put into context .
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Lion 96.
So it's all about getting a high this nirvana thing ? Or is it what's bringing the high that interests us ?
My meds I have nothing but perhaps ought to !
So it's all about getting a high this nirvana thing ? Or is it what's bringing the high that interests us ?
My meds I have nothing but perhaps ought to !
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Trysts 98.
I did a bit of reading about enlightenment and that article said that this enlightened state can be reached various ways .
Perhaps people can get precious and territorial about how they find peace and understanding .
It's interesting to hear you say you don't believe there is a self that's not related to outside influence .
That position sounds logical to me but then to extrapolate from that that free will exists is a bit of a stretch . Surely we need something to be separate from outside influence to be free ?
Having said that we can free ourselves from delusions . Like Dorothy seeing behind the curtain. We aren't a slave to misguided beliefs once we see the truth . I want to ask you something trysts .
I did a bit of reading about enlightenment and that article said that this enlightened state can be reached various ways .
Perhaps people can get precious and territorial about how they find peace and understanding .
It's interesting to hear you say you don't believe there is a self that's not related to outside influence .
That position sounds logical to me but then to extrapolate from that that free will exists is a bit of a stretch . Surely we need something to be separate from outside influence to be free ?
Having said that we can free ourselves from delusions . Like Dorothy seeing behind the curtain. We aren't a slave to misguided beliefs once we see the truth . I want to ask you something trysts .
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#120
So let's think about the nature of reality for a moment .
Right you are standing in a queue waiting for a United Nations grain hand out . You see a young boy about to be giving grain and he's pushed to one side by an aggressive man that's behind him in the queue .
So leaving to one side conditioning for now . We are intelligent right trysts ? We have empathy . We can say I know that something has happened here that isn't how things ought to be . You could call it wrong . You could call it evil .
Perhaps we'd agree that we human beings . We animals , can see truth .
What interest me is why we care .
I've read a little science about how we are and one of the authors talked about a loving chemical . Said that voles that had this chemical were kind and compassionate and voles that didn't were brutal and violent .
Is that all our care is ? Do we care purely because of a bunch of chemicals ?
If not then perhaps this hints at a true self of some description at least .
Right you are standing in a queue waiting for a United Nations grain hand out . You see a young boy about to be giving grain and he's pushed to one side by an aggressive man that's behind him in the queue .
So leaving to one side conditioning for now . We are intelligent right trysts ? We have empathy . We can say I know that something has happened here that isn't how things ought to be . You could call it wrong . You could call it evil .
Perhaps we'd agree that we human beings . We animals , can see truth .
What interest me is why we care .
I've read a little science about how we are and one of the authors talked about a loving chemical . Said that voles that had this chemical were kind and compassionate and voles that didn't were brutal and violent .
Is that all our care is ? Do we care purely because of a bunch of chemicals ?
If not then perhaps this hints at a true self of some description at least .
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