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What do you mean by inefficient, in the context of communism?

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PointlessR wrote:
communism is EXTREMELY inefficient. The reason we have the modern world, other than the Protestant reformation, is because capitalism encourages innovation.

Hot take : We dont need innovation anymore. We dont need to make our lives easier. Everything is perfect as it is. But that wont happen practically so...

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#84 1.because there is no motivation for workers.

2. There are no markets so no prices, so people can’t accurately gauge what people want, meaning there will be shortages of some supplies and too much of others.

3. No competition, so there is less innovation

4. We can see that it is inefficient from history like from the Soviet Union
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85# everything is definitely not perfect. We still have the huge issue of climate change and horrible living standards in many places across the world. We need innovation to find solutions to these issues.

Anyway, if a new issue comes up, we need to be prepared to adapt. Innovation allows this.
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Good point.

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Maybe we just need to abandon the idea of capitalism vs communism and adopt a system that is a balance of both.

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If people were well and truly grateful for the things they had, then they would be more generous to the poor. As it is, people aren't satisfied despite the fact that they have enough, they point fingers, and think it is everyone else's responsibility to provide for the poor. If you have enough money to give to charity, good, but don't pretend like it's society's fault when it doesn't give you the warm and fuzzy feeling you expected. If a group of philanthropists can't solve the problem of poverty in their own community, then they for sure don't need to be trying to solve poverty everywhere, or make it the responsibility of people who don't care or don't have the resources to help.

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#89 that would be socialism. Which still has many issues
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#90 ‘egoism is altruism’. When people are more greedy in a capitalistic system it is beneficial for everyone.
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Your biggest fear is death
The main part of it for that is what comes after death. Like, life is not a video game, you're not going to respawn. But also when you die, your brain doesn't have any oxygen and your heart stops.

So you're not just laying there with your eyes closed. But since your brain's got no oxygen whatsoever, you wouldn't even have any awareness of the fact that you were dead. And like, what happens after you die?

Is there heaven and hell? And which are we going to? Is there reincarnation?

Like, what happens?
Scientifically?
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I have no idea. It’s strange because we often describe ‘fates worse than death’ but being in eternal darkness (from the atheistic point of view) seems genuinely horrible.
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From an atheistic point of view you I think it's more like not being rather than being in a eternal state of darkness

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yeah I guess so. You would be aware of the darkness. But still ‘not being’ is horrifying as well.
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you would not be aware of the darkness*
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It's horrifying concept for someone which is living, but if you really think if it you don't acttaly care when you are already dead. it's like someone who was never born doesn't care that he doesn't exist.

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 not_taken_1 wrote:
Your biggest fear is death
The main part of it for that is what comes after death. Like, life is not a video game, you're not going to respawn. But also when you die, your brain doesn't have any oxygen and your heart stops.
So you're not just laying there with your eyes closed. But since your brain's got no oxygen whatsoever, you wouldn't even have any awareness of the fact that you were dead. And like, what happens after you die?
Is there heaven and hell? And which are we going to? Is there reincarnation?
Like, what happens?
Scientifically?

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Yeah, but it’s still a genuine loss. We are missing out on life, happiness.
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replying to 98#
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I think it's more sad for the people who live the person who died and it's terrifying for person before he dies. But I don't think it's really a loss for the person because I think there is a loss only if you feel it (I may be wrong btw)

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