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#141 I disagree. Even if everyone was moral there are still the issues I said before, like surpluses and shortages of some resources and less innovation
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PointlessR wrote:
#89 that would be socialism. Which still has many issues

Elaborate. I myself am from a socialist country and things seem to progress way better in the econimic aspects compared to other nations taking ideologies in the extremes.

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Most of the same issues as a communist country, but less severe. The only noticeable different is that a socialist state can exist with other markets, while communism has no markets at all.
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That difference is what makes the issues less severe but still present
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#144 Do you disagree with my point about communism or about capitalism?

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#148 Yes I disagree with 142 if that is what you are referring to. Like I said, ‘egoism is altruism’ (in à capitalist society). When people are greedy it ends up benefiting everyone in society since we all get a larger slice of the ‘economic pie’
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I think communism also has a problem of information. because you need to have a body which decides what to do in every situation, insted of money whcyih shows you what people want how much of it there is and so on. Here is an example so let's say some city needs a road built but also needs a bridge built. first of all you need to decide what is more important, than you need to decide what kind of bridge/road, than you need to decide who works on it, that you need to decide from what material and you have more and more decision for each thing. All of this is pretty much solved with money because you can just compare prices which show the value of the thing. So no matter how moarl the people are it can't fix the info problem.

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I don’t think communism would work because as pointed out by Eldest, people aren’t exactly angels. But I don’t see how morality and capitalism are related.

I don’t think there was an objective standard of right or wrong in the last few centuries that wasn’t set by society, which is why they change every other week. And I think the issues of corruption and crime were much worse earlier; again, depending on who you ask.

I think we can safely say that we are going through the best times in human history so far, much better than the 1800’s or the 1920’s. Science, for one thing, has advanced considerably. We detect the light of stars long dead, we launch probes into space, and people can live fulfilling lives even after losing several limbs, and with Neuralink we’re starting to help quadriplegic and paraplegic people. The geopolitical situation is fragile, as always, but we haven’t been doing this thing for long and we’re already so good at it. And people have the freedom to chase their dreams. You’re not guaranteed to make it big, but you have the chance to.

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Do you think there are alien's and if so why? Like I know the argument of there must be because if there is one planet with life on it (us) there must be more but what if the chances are so low we are the only one

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Bezap wrote:

Do you think there are alien's and if so why? Like I know the argument of there must be because if there is one planet with life on it (us) there must be more but what if the chances are so low we are the only one

I think it’s pretty likely, for the reasons you mentioned.

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It says unambiguously in the Vedas that people from other planets used to visit the Earth regularly, so I would have to believe so

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shadowtanuki wrote:

It says unambiguously in the Vedas that people from other planets used to visit the Earth regularly, so I would have to believe so

Can’t tell whether that’s sarcasm, but I don’t think the Vedas are reliable for this.

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#153 but like how do you calculate the likeliness

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Bezap wrote:

#153 but like how do you calculate the likeliness

Look at the number of planets. In our own galaxy, there are many stars, which in turn have planets. With all of those planets, some have got to have suitable conditions.

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Zecharia Sitchin proved that ancient aliens visited the Babylonians, too. Sheesh, read a book before you speak.

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#157, yeah, and the fact ‘the building blocks of life’ like carbon aren’t exclusive to Earth, they are also found in meteorites and comets, suggesting life could be anywhere
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It being possible doesn't mean it's likely you can have lots of Lego bricks but that doesn't mean you have a Lego house

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Bezap wrote:

It being possible doesn't mean it's likely you can have lots of Lego bricks but that doesn't mean you have a Lego house

But the fact that you have hundreds of billions of Lego bricks makes it significantly more likely.

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Did I just see the word “Lego’s”
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#160, sure but it is definitely likely AS WELL AS being possible, not that it is likely BECAUSE it is possible.