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Beauty is the fact that I'm not a gambler and you know it, I'm playing defensive and I'm playing safe. Your boy is.

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tomtrytostay wrote:
I've decided though that I'm just going to be myself here. On these threads . And if people can't accept my presence on the threads , the ops as least. Then I won't post.

  Just to clarify one thing, Tom: oneself is the source of all evil in the world. That comment, 'Heavens, no!' had nothing to do with you in particular.

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pestebalcanica wrote:

Beauty is the fact that I'm not a gambler and you know it, I'm playing defensive and I'm playing safe. Your boy is.

  What I'm not getting is, what are we defending? Just asking myself.

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tomtrytostay wrote:
Troy 305. I know just what you mean. Know the pattern.

I know the mediation guys talk about the mind being a tool rather than driving things and it sounds a similar thing if not the same that you're referring too.

  In the field we are talking about here, there are no tools. That's the beauty!!

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tomtrytostay wrote:
I want them to be relaxed and be their natural, healthy self.

  There is no such thing.

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troy7915 wrote:
pestebalcanica wrote:

Beauty is the fact that I'm not a gambler and you know it, I'm playing defensive and I'm playing safe. Your boy is.

  What I'm not getting is, what are we defending? Just asking myself.

From irrational decisions, my father alone has plenty to do with it. However with some people you have to say 'basta' at some point of your life, rationality helps only to a certain degree.

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 Granted, the son is his father, the daughter her mother. The same mind framework is present in the children, who become the copy of their parents, whose children in turn will become their copy and so on.

  Nothing really changes with the passing of 'new' generations. But it needn't be so. First of all, we don't seem to ask what is it that we are protecting so carefully? Other than the physical body what else is there to protect? Yet we protect status, ideas, images( like what others think of us, as Tom was saying about not feeling 'lovable').

  We have built walls around something we don't really understand, at least at the moment.

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 Ah, you've added a sentence. Can we really say 'basta', in general and move on? We all live on the same planet: it's like two people living in the same dorm. One is careless,with dirty clothes on the floor, leaving the kitchen dirty and so on. And the othr is not. Yet this other person is also affected by it.

  We 're all living together in this big dorm.

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troy7915 wrote:

 Granted, the son is his father, the daughter her mother. The same mind framework is present in the children, who become the copy of their parents, whose children in turn will become their copy and so on.

  Nothing really changes with the passing of 'new' generations. But it needn't be so. First of all, we don't seem to ask what is it that we are protecting so carefully? Other than the physical body what else is there to protect? Yet we protect status, ideas, images( like what others think of us, as Tom was saying about not feeling 'lovable').

  We have built walls around something we don't really understand, at least at the moment.

Yes, that's probably because the so called father wants it that way, probably subconsciously, and contradicting his decision ( as his son ) is not your job.

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tomtrytostay wrote:


It's like a war zone on here and I think I'm frayed.

 Yes, we are paying a lot of attention to this inward entity, whose health is a permanent concern for most people. And yet it comes to life through inatention.

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tomtrytostay wrote:
 I've had so little love in my life.

  One can never 'have' love. Just saying.

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Yes, I dare to say 'basta' as a grown man, an adult, and I'm fully taking responsability, and I dare to demand the same responsability from everyone involved.

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pestebalcanica wrote:
troy7915 wrote:

 Granted, the son is his father, the daughter her mother. The same mind framework is present in the children, who become the copy of their parents, whose children in turn will become their copy and so on.

  Nothing really changes with the passing of 'new' generations. But it needn't be so. First of all, we don't seem to ask what is it that we are protecting so carefully? Other than the physical body what else is there to protect? Yet we protect status, ideas, images( like what others think of us, as Tom was saying about not feeling 'lovable').

  We have built walls around something we don't really understand, at least at the moment.

Yes, that's probably because the so called father wants it that way, probably subconsciously, and contradicting his decision ( as his son ) is not your job.

  I say it is! In itself, it amounts to nothing. I'm unhappy with what my parents say I must do and so I do something in the opposite direction. But that is still the same direction, because all opposites contain the original reaction and so they contain each other.

  The point is to question our parents, our teachers, our priests, authority in general, including ourselves! Because we are all that as well. And perhaps at some point there will be an action, which is free of all opposites, of all directions, neither that way, nor this way, neither left, nor right. Such an action is sheer beauty and you can't help try to 'make' another come to this. You can't help it because you're not in control.

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troy7915 wrote:
pestebalcanica wrote:
troy7915 wrote:

 Granted, the son is his father, the daughter her mother. The same mind framework is present in the children, who become the copy of their parents, whose children in turn will become their copy and so on.

  Nothing really changes with the passing of 'new' generations. But it needn't be so. First of all, we don't seem to ask what is it that we are protecting so carefully? Other than the physical body what else is there to protect? Yet we protect status, ideas, images( like what others think of us, as Tom was saying about not feeling 'lovable').

  We have built walls around something we don't really understand, at least at the moment.

Yes, that's probably because the so called father wants it that way, probably subconsciously, and contradicting his decision ( as his son ) is not your job.

  I say it is! In itself, it amounts to nothing. I'm unhappy with what my parents say I must do and so I do something in the opposite direction. But that is still the same direction, because all opposites contain the original reaction and so they contain each other.

  The point is to question our parents, our teachers, our priests, authority in general, including ourselves! Because we are all that as well. And perhaps at some point there will be an action, which is free of all opposites, of all directions, neither that way, nor this way, neither left, nor right. Such an action is sheer beauty and you can't help try to 'make' another come to this. You can't help it because you're not in control.

I am.

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pestebalcanica wrote:

Yes, I dare to say 'basta' as a grown man, an adult, and I'm fully taking responsability, and I dare to demand the same responsability from everyone involved.

  Just because we have reached the biological age of maturity doesn't mean we are mature. The blind can't be responsible for what they cannot see.

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pestebalcanica wrote:
troy7915 wrote:
pestebalcanica wrote:
troy7915 wrote:

 Granted, the son is his father, the daughter her mother. The same mind framework is present in the children, who become the copy of their parents, whose children in turn will become their copy and so on.

  Nothing really changes with the passing of 'new' generations. But it needn't be so. First of all, we don't seem to ask what is it that we are protecting so carefully? Other than the physical body what else is there to protect? Yet we protect status, ideas, images( like what others think of us, as Tom was saying about not feeling 'lovable').

  We have built walls around something we don't really understand, at least at the moment.

Yes, that's probably because the so called father wants it that way, probably subconsciously, and contradicting his decision ( as his son ) is not your job.

  I say it is! In itself, it amounts to nothing. I'm unhappy with what my parents say I must do and so I do something in the opposite direction. But that is still the same direction, because all opposites contain the original reaction and so they contain each other.

  The point is to question our parents, our teachers, our priests, authority in general, including ourselves! Because we are all that as well. And perhaps at some point there will be an action, which is free of all opposites, of all directions, neither that way, nor this way, neither left, nor right. Such an action is sheer beauty and you can't help try to 'make' another come to this. You can't help it because you're not in control.

I am.

   I meant that when that action is being discovered, for the first time, one is not in control.

   Besides, control is rather an illusion. Nobody wants to feel being miserable, hateful and what not; yet they are, despite assuming someone is in control of their feelings.

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I've been playing blindfold chess now and then, I think I can do it, besides you're playing the cards you are dealt, playing defensively means playing with bad cards at times. Control is not an illusion. Controlling your feelings is not your job, cutting your losses is.

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  I'm only pointing to the impossibility of controlling one's feelings, which ( at the very least) suggests the possibility that no one's in control.

  Also, cutting one's losses is an illusion as well. It depends on what loss means to one, and even in that case, not cutting one's losses( whatever cutting one's losses may mean in the first place), there's no knowing for sure that if such an action was not to be undertaken, some gains of some kind would not have been made( whatever 'gaining' may mean to one, as opposed to losing).

  Just because a decision can be made doesn't mean it comes from something which is in control. Just like choice: it seems one's making a choice of, say, driving while drunk, but is that a choice, or an impulsive action taken as choice? We can mistaken anything for a rational decision, a logical choice, but that doesn't avoid the lack of choice, the randomness of it all, including the attempt to justify the so-called decision making process as an excuse for doing some awful things.

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and btw.

I don't have drinking problems, I'm not drinking spirits or anything of the kind for several days now, and I will do without it for several months, and that's because I can.

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@377...which Troy is asking? The one who exists or the one who doesn't?