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May 6, 2016
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#44
Trysts, I have always respected you and enjoy your posts, so please don't take this difference of opinion to heart, but my opinion is the idea of heavenly father being childish is itself childish. The child who clings to their idea of self being on the throne like a pacifier and doesn't want to be held accountable.
Ooooooh! Cold busted! haha, still a kid at heart in some ways. 
May 6, 2016
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#45
It's like someone telling you all about something, but when you ask where that something is, they say it's invisible. I expect that from a child, of course, but not from bzillions of adults for centuries and centuries.
we've had enough mission Impossibles at this point. it's about time Tom Cruise stepped forward to be the invisible man!
May 6, 2016
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#47
Not hard really, the realm of the spirit/heaven is accessible by faith. Certainly nothing as childish as complete and total dependence on mere observation of the physical senses. 
the purpose of the forum...again.
to post an expression wihtout the next poster making an editorial comment.
do you philstines get it ?
so. i lke to get up at 4:00 a.m. and drink several cups of coffee with my colle dog at my side as i read the daily mail.uk and play the chess moves left for me at this site during the wee hours of my sleep.
i also keep a radio during the night and listen to sports and several other types of strations as i sleep ( i do not sleep well ). my collie dog does not snore but my wfe does at times.
May 6, 2016
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#49
Nothing more suspicious as saying something exists based on faith. The holy used car salesman approach?
learningthemoves wrote:
Trysts, I have always respected you and enjoy your posts, so please don't take this difference of opinion to heart, but my opinion is the idea of heavenly father being childish is itself childish. The child who clings to their idea of self being on the throne like a pacifier and doesn't want to be held accountable.
Ooooooh! Cold busted! haha, still a kid at heart in some ways.
It's not childish. "Father" is such a human concept, so to put that in heaven, well lol. It's naive antropomorphism, that people lack awareness of themselves, so you excpect something like "father" to be a sort or universal concept, and you think you'd find "fathers" everywhere, in heaven for instance. It's as naive to expect to find say baseball in heaven or in another galaxy. Or uncles.
This was pointed out 2500 years ago or so.
May 6, 2016
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#51
My best friend is a holy used car salesman.
He is an associate Pastor at my church and for extra income is a car salesman.
Not exists by faith. Is accessible by faith. Exists whether you access or not.
learningthemoves wrote:
Not hard really, the realm of the spirit/heaven is accessible by faith. Certainly nothing as childish as complete and total dependence on mere observation of the physical senses.
Faith doesn't allow you to acess anything. It's just a word religious people invented because they lost each and every rational discussion they ever cared to join in. So they went like "let's invent a word that just means we are right and don't need to argue, and let us call the word faith".
May 6, 2016
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#53
Raspberry_Yoghurt wrote:
learningthemoves wrote:
Trysts, I have always respected you and enjoy your posts, so please don't take this difference of opinion to heart, but my opinion is the idea of heavenly father being childish is itself childish. The child who clings to their idea of self being on the throne like a pacifier and doesn't want to be held accountable.
Ooooooh! Cold busted! haha, still a kid at heart in some ways.
It's not childish. "Father" is such a human concept, so to put that in heaven, well lol. It's naive antropomorphism, that people lack awareness of themselves, so you excpect something like "father" to be a sort or universal concept, and you think you'd find "fathers" everywhere, in heaven for instance. It's as naive to expect to find say baseball in heaven or in another galaxy. Or uncles.
This was pointed out 2500 years ago or so.
It was the model given to humans by the One who came from Heaven and explained it with all authority thousands of years ago.
rational discussion is just theoretical. it takes people to be very insecure in their knowledge to want to win an argument.
May 6, 2016
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#55
Raspberry_Yoghurt wrote:
learningthemoves wrote:
Not hard really, the realm of the spirit/heaven is accessible by faith. Certainly nothing as childish as complete and total dependence on mere observation of the physical senses.
Faith doesn't allow you to acess anything. It's just a word religious people invented because they lost each and every rational discussion they ever cared to join in. So they went like "let's invent a word that just means we are right and don't need to argue, and let us call the word faith".
You are incorrect. Faith by definition provides access to evidence of what isn't observable by the physical sense of sight.
DISSAGREEMENTS ARE NOT ALLOWED!
May 6, 2016
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#57
learningthemoves wrote:
My best friend is a holy used car salesman.
He is an associate Pastor at my church and for extra income is a car salesman.
Not exists by faith. Is accessible by faith. Exists whether you access or not.
So, just believe it and you've accessed it? That path went nowhere for me. It's just a make-believe world. I'll tough it out in the real world
May 6, 2016
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#58
Faith certainly exists. You're right in the way that all men don't possess it. In truth this "real world" and everything created in it was created in faith by faith as the very frame.
learningthemoves wrote:
Raspberry_Yoghurt wrote:
learningthemoves wrote:
Not hard really, the realm of the spirit/heaven is accessible by faith. Certainly nothing as childish as complete and total dependence on mere observation of the physical senses.
Faith doesn't allow you to acess anything. It's just a word religious people invented because they lost each and every rational discussion they ever cared to join in. So they went like "let's invent a word that just means we are right and don't need to argue, and let us call the word faith".
You are incorrect. Faith by definition provides access to evidence of what isn't observable by the physical sense of sight.
You can't just define things and then they exist. I can't just define Spiderman and voila, he exists.
Faith is like Spiderman. It's something humans invented that doesn't exist in the real world.
What exists is off course people being convinced of certain thing, but faith as a supernatural sense, nope doesn't exist.
i am no one except that i see truth.
you cheat the creater of this forum and all those who woud wish to follow such a person ( the creater if this special place ) by disobeying the truth of this place.
say what you say.
no one, not even oneself, should comment again on one what sais.
it is a place of the open heart. i see the author's purpose, even if he or she does not yet see it.
a blank space.
listen to the blank open space of your heart and post and then allow others to find and post their own blank space.