Did you even read the post of mine that kaynight was replying to? I said there is alarmism and distortion, but there are also legitimate envirnmental issues. Simpletons like you are only capable of namecalling. Nothing in your post makes the slightest sense or is factual.
Seven Big Failed Environmentalist Predictions

I believe Gore is a highly trained cryptozoologist. He is credited with both the invention of the internet and the discovery of the ManBearPig.
"In 1968, Paul R. Ehrlich wrote The Population Bomb and declared that the battle to feed humanity had been lost and that there would be a major food shortage in the US. “In the 1970s … hundreds of millions are going to starve to death,” and by the 1980s most of the world’s important resources would be depleted.
He forecast that 65 million Americans would die of starvation between 1980-1989 and that by 1999, the US population would decline to 22.6 million. The problems in the US would be relatively minor compared to those in the rest of the world.
(Ehrlich, Paul R. The Population Bomb. New York, Ballantine Books, 1968.)"
- From A Brief History of Environmental Science’s Doomsday Predictions
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/a-brief-history-of-environmental-sciences-doomsday-predictions/
Erlich, a Stanford University professor, had many dubious predictions:
In ten years all important animal life in the sea will be extinct. Large areas of coastline will have to be evacuated because of the stench of dead fish.” Paul Ehrlich, speech during Earth Day, 1970.
Here's another good one:
“According to [alarmist] Dr. David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia, within a few years 'children just aren’t going to know what snow is' and winter snowfall will be 'a very rare and exciting event.' Interviewed by the UK Independent, March 20, 2000."
This year, New England recorded record levels of snow.
I read a short article about a year ago that dealt with this subject. Two points really stood out. When the last glacial period started, what is now London was 30' deep in snow and ice within five years. Second point is that we are still in an ice age due to the polar ice caps and other portions of the world still covered in ice.
Which of these are you denying?
1. Average temperatures have climbed 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit (0.8 degree Celsius) around the world since 1880, much of this in recent decades, according to NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies.
2. The rate of warming is increasing. The 20th century's last two decades were the hottest in 400 years and possibly the warmest for several millennia, according to a number of climate studies. And the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reports that 11 of the past 12 years are among the dozen warmest since 1850.
3. The Arctic is feeling the effects the most. Average temperatures in Alaska, western Canada, and eastern Russia have risen at twice the global average, according to the multinational Arctic Climate Impact Assessment report compiled between 2000 and 2004.
4. Arctic ice is rapidly disappearing, and the region may have its first completely ice-free summer by 2040 or earlier. Polar bears and indigenous cultures are already suffering from the sea-ice loss.
5. Glaciers and mountain snows are rapidly melting—for example, Montana's Glacier National Park now has only 27 glaciers, versus 150 in 1910. In the Northern Hemisphere, thaws also come a week earlier in spring and freezes begin a week later.
6. Coral reefs, which are highly sensitive to small changes in water temperature, suffered the worst bleaching—or die-off in response to stress—ever recorded in 1998, with some areas seeing bleach rates of 70 percent. Experts expect these sorts of events to increase in frequency and intensity in the next 50 years as sea temperatures rise.
7. An upsurge in the amount of extreme weather events, such as wildfires, heat waves, and strong tropical storms, is also attributed in part to climate change by some experts.
8. Industrialization, deforestation, and pollution have greatly increased atmospheric concentrations of water vapor, carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrous oxide, all greenhouse gases that help trap heat near Earth's surface.
9. Humans are pouring carbon dioxide into the atmosphere much faster than plants and oceans can absorb it.
10. These gases persist in the atmosphere for years, meaning that even if such emissions were eliminated today, it would not immediately stop global warming.
11. Some experts point out that natural cycles in Earth's orbit can alter the planet's exposure to sunlight, which may explain the current trend. Earth has indeed experienced warming and cooling cycles roughly every hundred thousand years due to these orbital shifts, but such changes have occurred over the span of several centuries. Today's changes have taken place over the past hundred years or less.
12. Other recent research has suggested that the effects of variations in the sun's output are "negligible" as a factor in warming, but other, more complicated solar mechanisms could possibly play a role.
Source :National Geographic.
As long as there's beer in the fridge.... Oops they cause problems too.
Which one are you denying, spit it out now?
Not denying any of it. Let's just colonise another planet and move on.
Bagpipes on Mars!

As long as there's beer in the fridge.... Oops they cause problems too.
That is why you have to drink hard liquor..it doesn't need to be refrigerated and your chess games are so much more interesting.
intelligent posts by robbie_1969
One feels that no amount of empirical evidence is enough to overturn the propaganda of a determined sceptic.
@robbie_1969
1. Average temperatures have climbed 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit (0.8 degree Celsius) around the world since 1880, much of this in recent decades, according to NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies. We have been warming since the little ice age; the connection to AGW is not convincing in the slightest.
2. The rate of warming is increasing. The 20th century's last two decades were the hottest in 400 years and possibly the warmest for several millennia, according to a number of climate studies. And the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reports that 11 of the past 12 years are among the dozen warmest since 1850. I don't trust this information. Hoaxers have lied before and will again. It's about control. See my post earlier on fiddling data.
3. The Arctic is feeling the effects the most. Average temperatures in Alaska, western Canada, and eastern Russia have risen at twice the global average, according to the multinational Arctic Climate Impact Assessment report compiled between 2000 and 2004. Local conditions of course do not consider or determine the entire world's climate. Also, as noted we have been warming since the little ice age.
4. Arctic ice is rapidly disappearing, and the region may have its first completely ice-free summer by 2040 or earlier. Polar bears and indigenous cultures are already suffering from the sea-ice loss. This is nonsense.
5. Glaciers and mountain snows are rapidly melting—for example, Montana's Glacier National Park now has only 27 glaciers, versus 150 in 1910. In the Northern Hemisphere, thaws also come a week earlier in spring and freezes begin a week later. Local conditions of course do not consider or determine the entire world's climate. Also, as noted we have been warming since the little ice age.
6. Coral reefs, which are highly sensitive to small changes in water temperature, suffered the worst bleaching—or die-off in response to stress—ever recorded in 1998, with some areas seeing bleach rates of 70 percent. Experts expect these sorts of events to increase in frequency and intensity in the next 50 years as sea temperatures rise. I'm unfamiliar with this.
7. An upsurge in the amount of extreme weather events, such as wildfires, heat waves, and strong tropical storms, is also attributed in part to climate change by some experts. Nonsense.
8. Industrialization, deforestation, and pollution have greatly increased atmospheric concentrations of water vapor, carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrous oxide, all greenhouse gases that help trap heat near Earth's surface. Please back this up with data. Also, last I heard AGW models didn't include the affects of water vapor even though it's vastly more important to GW than CO2. I do know the amount of CO2 rise is not significant, compared to the affects alarmists claim.
9. Humans are pouring carbon dioxide into the atmosphere much faster than plants and oceans can absorb it. Assuming this is true, I don't see a demonstrable problem. Just a lot of outlandish predictions of a bad future, many of which have already been wrong.
10. These gases persist in the atmosphere for years, meaning that even if such emissions were eliminated today, it would not immediately stop global warming.
Your original premise is found wanting so this is irrelavent.
11. Some experts point out that natural cycles in Earth's orbit can alter the planet's exposure to sunlight, which may explain the current trend. Earth has indeed experienced warming and cooling cycles roughly every hundred thousand years due to these orbital shifts, but such changes have occurred over the span of several centuries. Today's changes have taken place over the past hundred years or less. You're using data people use against your argument in a slap-dash way to attempt to validate your arguement. You're generalizing too much. Check Newspaper articles going back ~120 years. Alarmists have alternately predicted Ice ages or GW repeatedly during that time, reversing their belief every 30 years or so. For example, the 1930's were very hot and AGW was all the rage (depending on what data you believe most of the 30's were hotter than now). As most people know the 60's & early 70's were cold and an ice age was feared.
12. Other recent research has suggested that the effects of variations in the sun's output are "negligible" as a factor in warming, but other, more complicated solar mechanisms could possibly play a role. Too vague to determine a response.
Source :National Geographic.
Which of these are you denying?
1. Average temperatures have climbed 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit (0.8 degree Celsius) around the world since 1880, much of this in recent decades, according to NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies.
2. The rate of warming is increasing. The 20th century's last two decades were the hottest in 400 years and possibly the warmest for several millennia, according to a number of climate studies. And the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reports that 11 of the past 12 years are among the dozen warmest since 1850.
3. The Arctic is feeling the effects the most. Average temperatures in Alaska, western Canada, and eastern Russia have risen at twice the global average, according to the multinational Arctic Climate Impact Assessment report compiled between 2000 and 2004.
4. Arctic ice is rapidly disappearing, and the region may have its first completely ice-free summer by 2040 or earlier. Polar bears and indigenous cultures are already suffering from the sea-ice loss.
5. Glaciers and mountain snows are rapidly melting—for example, Montana's Glacier National Park now has only 27 glaciers, versus 150 in 1910. In the Northern Hemisphere, thaws also come a week earlier in spring and freezes begin a week later.
6. Coral reefs, which are highly sensitive to small changes in water temperature, suffered the worst bleaching—or die-off in response to stress—ever recorded in 1998, with some areas seeing bleach rates of 70 percent. Experts expect these sorts of events to increase in frequency and intensity in the next 50 years as sea temperatures rise.
7. An upsurge in the amount of extreme weather events, such as wildfires, heat waves, and strong tropical storms, is also attributed in part to climate change by some experts.
8. Industrialization, deforestation, and pollution have greatly increased atmospheric concentrations of water vapor, carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrous oxide, all greenhouse gases that help trap heat near Earth's surface.
9. Humans are pouring carbon dioxide into the atmosphere much faster than plants and oceans can absorb it.
10. These gases persist in the atmosphere for years, meaning that even if such emissions were eliminated today, it would not immediately stop global warming.
11. Some experts point out that natural cycles in Earth's orbit can alter the planet's exposure to sunlight, which may explain the current trend. Earth has indeed experienced warming and cooling cycles roughly every hundred thousand years due to these orbital shifts, but such changes have occurred over the span of several centuries. Today's changes have taken place over the past hundred years or less.
12. Other recent research has suggested that the effects of variations in the sun's output are "negligible" as a factor in warming, but other, more complicated solar mechanisms could possibly play a role.
Source :National Geographic.
1) The raw, "un-massaged" data suggests otherwise
2) The result of manipulated data, pabulum for true-believers
3) Ambient temperature variability is well recorded in ocean sediment. Arctic fauna, such as polar bear, caribou, seals, and primates, have been through a number of cycles in the past few million years, as demonstrated by this chart:
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4) Arctic sea ice goes through periods of natural expansion and contraction. In 1854-55, the ice was suffiently diminished to allow the Franklin Expedition to pentrate deep into the Northwest Passge, only to become stranded the next year, with tragic consequences. In 1972, Arctic researchers predicted an ice free arctic by 1985 - it didn't happen. In fact, from 2012 to 2013, Arctic Ice coverage increased an estimate 60%. Polar bear population, as well as pequin populations in the antarctic, have increased.
5) Glacial retreat is to be expected, as the Earth emerges from one of the coldest episodes in the past 65 million year.
6) In geologic history, coral reefs have flourished in warmer waters. They are not found in cold water environments.
7) And yet, the prediction of increasing numbers of "killer" super-hurricanes and typhoons has not materialized.
8) Even if I agreed with the assessment, what is the problem with a warmimg climate? Do you like the cold?
9) Doubtful, and unsupported by data
10) A warmer climate results in a moister, more lush environment. If you like rainforests, which were greatly and adversely affected by the most recent ice age, then you would favor warming.
11) Suppose the Earth was on track for a bitterly cold, frozen future (as data from the last 65 million years suggests). What do you think humans could do to reverse these mega-trends. Scant little, in my opinion. Why then do you think we have done all this "damage" to the global climate in the past couple of hundred years?
12) As solar radiation is the source of almost all warmth on the planets in the solar system, I suggest it is never "negligible." Assuming Martians do not exist, why has Mars been experiencing periodicwarming?
xlote: One would be advised not to contradict the Glasgow oracle. He knows best.
yes he will learn, although it should be noted that i did not author the article.
xlote: One would be advised not to contradict the Glasgow oracle. He knows best.
yes he will learn, although it should be noted that i did not author the article.
But you put it forward, so you have the responsibility to defend it ... or refute it.
@xlote
1. We have been warming since the little ice age; the connection to AGW is not convincing in the slightest. EPIC FAIL, no one has denied that the earth is warming and simply stating that we have been warming since the ice age does not explain that we have in the last two decades an unprecedented shift in temperature.
2. I don't trust this information. Whether you trust it is not the point and an irrelevancy, no one cares whether you trust it, we are interested in facts not your opinions. Suck it up.
3. Local conditions of course do not consider or determine the entire world's climate. Also, as noted we have been warming since the little ice age. Another Fail, no one is saying that they do, this is simply a straw man argument, what we are actually saying is that it is symptomatic of an over all trend.
4. This is nonsense. That is not an argument, its simply an other ill informed and rather ignorant opinion the like of which one finds spray painted on subway walls. Please find the tone control and turn it all the way up.
5. Local conditions of course do not consider or determine the entire world's climate. Another straw man that cannot and does not negate the facts. No one has claimed that local conditions determine the entire worlds climate, what is actually claimed is that its part of an overall trend.
6. I'm unfamiliar with this. Yes and many other things besides.
7. Nonsense. Another unsubstantiated airhead opinion. You really should read something other than Dougall and the magic roundabout.
8. I do know the amount of CO2 rise is not significant, compared to the affects alarmists claim. Another logical fallacy, the claim is not what is significant. The claim was that we are turning out more Co2 than the oceans and plants can absorb. Please visit airhead anonymous.
9. Assuming this is true, I don't see a demonstrable problem. No one cares whether you see it as a problem, we have already established that you are to all intents and proposes incapable of rational thought. Go away and learn why its problematic..
10. Your original premise is found wanting so this is irrelevant. More tabloid journalism and unworthy of serious comment.
11. You're using data people use against your argument in a slap-dash way to attempt to validate your argument. Another opinion piece.
12 Too vague to determine a response. Well thank goodness for that I had this bad dream man i was like in the middle of a Zombie apocalypse, there was like copious amounts of slobber and drool, i tried to swim against it was it was like an all consuming megalith of drool!
Source :National Geographic.
Al Gore.
Is that really the best you can do?? not a scientist.
He is not a scientist, but he is one of the main leaders of the global warming. I mean cooling. I mean climate change. Didn't Al make $$ by creating a carbon credit exchange company? ( I didn't look it up, but I remember something about this several years ago ). If the scientist are using 4x4s or not is a moot point. They are flying around the world for these conferences when they could have "saved the planet" and used the internet to conference. But that would go against the liberal motto --- do as I say, not as I do.