When handguns were banned in D C the murder rate doubled in part because it was now safe to kill with a nife or club. And before someone makes the obvious and incorrect statement gun crimes dropped slightly but assalts and muders with every other kind of weapon exploded.
Shooting in Newton, Conneticut
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Dec 19, 2012
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Lyndle wrote:
When handguns were banned in D C the murder rate doubled in part because it was now safe to kill with a nife or club. And before someone makes the obvious and incorrect statement gun crimes dropped slightly but assalts and muders with every other kind of weapon exploded.
this is saying the opposite of what you are saying...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Washington,_D.C.#Gun_laws
jesterville wrote:
Hi "kudurru",
While I understand your point, I'm not convinced that getting rid of guns will "make it more difficult for people to kill each other" (and BTW I am all for gun control/elimination), and the reason I suspect this is because I feel that something else will take it's place. If someone wants to kill someone else, he will find a way to do it....and then we will be talking about hammer control or baseball bat control. For me the weapon is not as important as the intent.
Not true.
It's far easier to kill 20 unarmed defenseless people with a gun than with a hammer.
IMO, the gun control laws in Sourh Africa are insane, and the USA is 100 x worse. Maybe guns dont kill people, but people who own guns do.
Not to mention what usually happens. Someone buys a gun "for protection" and some years later a child finds the gun and plays with it and shoots another child.
Or some family member gets angry and shoots another family member.
Or, someone is "showing off" the gun and someone gets killed.
It turns out in almost all cases it is far more dangerous to have a gun in your house than to not have a gun in your house.
Dec 19, 2012
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ponz111 wrote:
Not to mention what usually happens. Someone buys a gun "for protection" and some years later a child finds the gun and plays with it and shoots another child.
Or some family member gets angry and shoots another family member.
Or, someone is "showing off" the gun and someone gets killed.
It turns out in almost all cases it is far more dangerous to have a gun in your house than to not have a gun in your house.
and don't forget to include suicides.
Yes, suicides are much more likely to happen with access to a gun...
In the USA we have mainly two political partys the Democrats and Republicans. The Republicans have always been against gun control laws.
For a long time the Democrats advocated for some kind of common sense gun control. However they finally determined that their stance for gun control was costing them too many votes. So, they completely dropped the idea of gun control.
Now Obama [Democrat], has been elected and he [Obama] realizes that in some sense he [Obama] did not do anything about this issue and he really regrets this and now the time is right to at least try to get some form of sensible gun control in the USA. It will not be enough as it will be watered down by the Republicans but it will be better than doing nothing.
this from a friend of mine ...a policeman in the USA
Not politically correct but so very true..............
I am amazed at the stupidity of some people.
How do you stop school shootings? "Ban guns!"
Really? Drugs and prostitution must not be banned, seeing as I can get them everywhere from the street corner to Craigslist.
If you want to stop school violence, stop presenting an easy target. When you see a "gun free zone" sign, you get warm fuzzies. When a nutcase sees that sign, he sees a soft target that is a safe place for him to commit his crimes without fear of getting killed before his "work" is done.
Do you think it was a coincidence that the guy who shot up the movie theater in CO drove PAST several other movie theaters that were closer to his house, and attacked the movie theater that had a "no firearms" sign in the window?
While I agree with Gun Control, in reality it just does not work by itself...it is not sufficient to prevent murders or even mass killings. Most killings/murders are done with illegal guns bought from gangs, or stolen from licenced users. The reality is that Gun Control Laws affect the "law abiding community", but does little to stop organised criminals. Once guns are available to the community (the right to bare arms), they will continue to fall into the wrong hands. And yes, banning the assault weapons will go a long way in reducing the casualties like Newtown, but we must recognise that it does nothing to reduce/eliminate the core problem. It is a short term remedy, not a long term solution.
Dec 19, 2012
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the sad thing about this is that it could happen any time. there as got to be better gun laws.why did this young evil minded boy have so many powerful guns in the first place.what was the parents doing also with all the guns in the house.
You will not see a gang member going to a school and killing 20 people. Usually they kill kids in other gangs with sometimes an innocent bystander being killed.
But the problem of gangs is a whole different story and would need other solutions.
One thing about gun control for these deadly weapons it will minimize possible situations such as we had a few days ago.
If you remember, we started a war with a whole other nation because of the lies of weapons of mass destruction and our soldiers were going to war in Iraq as they were led to believe that Saddam was responsible for 911. And now those same people who were so gun-ho for war because of weapons of mass destruction--do not want to do anything about weapons of mass destruction right here in the Unite States.
The poster about Timmothy McVeigh and how he figured out how to kill a mass of people without guns does not meet the test of logic.
There are very few individuals in the United States who could do the mass killings without guns.
Having assault weapons easily available makes it possible for almost anybody to be a mass murderer without having the special knowledge that Timothy McVeigh had.
Because one individual was able to mass murder without guns does not mean that guns-especially these assault weapons--are not a problem.
start building better mental health factilies for all ages.