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HiramHolliday wrote:

No supermarkets in America?

They kill beef cows with a sledge hammer or a mechanical ram. They kill pigs by electrocution. They kill turkeys by hanging them upside down by their feet and slitting their throats. I'll bet you eat those from the supermarket.

Killing an animal with a rifle is a bit more humane. They don't know it's coming at in most cases it's instantaneous.

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Do you eat meat?

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So killing animals is okay? What does the method matter?

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You're not making any point I can see other than you don't like guns.

Okay.

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Not too many hunters with rifles doing that.

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The leading cause of death in England and Wales in 2022 was dementia and Alzheimer's disease, with 65,967 deaths (11.4% of all deaths); this percentage was higher than in 2021 (61,250 deaths, 10.4% of all deaths).

You guys should stop doing that.

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Robbery is the Uk's most common crime, with 64,891 or 110 per 100,000 people. Stabbings and sexual assaults are also on the rise.

You need to quit that too.

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Cleveland now has the dubious title of “crime capital of England.”This dishonor was no surprise to its roughly 140,000 residents.It is a small region, similar to a metropolitan county, around the River Tees on the northeast coast of England.The Office for National Statistics (ONS) data listed 139.6 events per 1,000 people – double that of neighboring North Yorkshire.

Of these, 35.8 were violent crimes – most commonly knife stabbings.

And unfortunately, the region is also known for sexual assault, with over 2,625.

While no designated “no-go zones” exist in Cleveland, antisocial behavior is typical in Middlesborough Estates.

The city’s high crime rate deters visitors from venturing at night or alone during the day.

Unsurprisingly, local police recommend residents carry “knife packs,” emergency kits in case of assault.

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I guess we all have our problems eh?

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Maybe you haven't really "moved on' from frontier days. You just use different methods.

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You decided that a discussion about hunting rifles should include a comment about people killing each other. Don't point out other people's problems unless you want your dirty laundry aired as well.

I don't defend solving problems by killing other people. That's not what anyone in this thread is about either.

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HiramHolliday wrote:

I wonder what any person would have in mind with one of those abominations.

You mean a scope on a lever action?

I’m no longer young and I’d like to see what I’m shooting at. Usually paper.

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Festerthetester wrote:

To me with limited rifle experience 30-30 is one of those calibers like .22 short. Fun to shoot. Useless for hunting.

30-30 has killed more deer than any other caliber.

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HiramHolliday wrote:

Shame we cannot arm them.

I have a bear tag. If you think my prey is unarmed, you know nothing about bears.

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alexlehrersh wrote:

ok an guy whothinks Bjj is is efectiv but other are not cant be taken serious

Because BJJ is basically wrestling, and real life and death fights end up on the ground and come down to weight ratio. Boxing and wrestling have less showy "techniques", and are closer to reality. But if you stick to the ground rules of any "fighting style" when you are in a real fight, you're saddling yourself with a serious disadvantage.

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As for PA, their hunting laws are set to protect the health of the wildlife population first. Hunters come second, or even third. The wildlife populations in PA are mostly larger and certainly healthier than they've ever been, outside of a very few species like Mountain Lions. Hunting benefits the hunter, it benefits the wildlife populations, it benefits the environment, and it benefits local and state coffers by racking in millions in fees, sales taxes and such. All right, I'll get windy.
The hunters get to spend time in the outdoors, often with friends. A side benefit is meat on the table.
Wildlife around here benefits because it is largely farmland interspersed with forests. Those farms create a tremendous amount of food all summer, much to the farmers' dismay. After harvest there is a great deal less food. Populations of predators like black bear and coyote have been growing well but they're not enough to stave off starvation in a large herd with little food over a tough winter.
The environment benefits because the deer herds around here are currently so large they are stifling new tree and plant growth by eating them. The PA Game Commission sometimes fences off areas of a forest for several years to allow it to recover from over grazing.
Money speaks for itself. I haven't checked lately but in the 1990s hunters and fisherman provided more money for the protection of wildlife and habitat than any other group.
Check this page out to see what the PA Game Commission does for wildlife.
https://www.pgc.pa.gov/Wildlife/HabitatManagement/Pages/default.aspx

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Oh, yeah, the rule in PA is a whitetail has to have at least three tines on one side to be legally taken. Iron sights don't cut it for me anymore, either.

edit: my information is out of date. While looking for a page I did not find I stumbled on this video. Near the end the wildlife biologist thinks the herd is finally coming into a good balance. Before that they touch on some of the problems they study.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbyAv83stTc

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alexlehrersh wrote:

systema has ground elements, judo has so why only say bjj is not a scam

Well, I don't say that, but I am sure he is saying that because when fighters from all categories of "martial arts" came together to fight under one umbrella, a BJJ fighter was extremely successful against practitioners of the other "arts".

If someone tells you:

"During a fight, you should duck your head if somebody swings their fist at it. Also, there's a move you can do called the five finger death touch that will kill your foe after a delayed reaction time."

...then that's a scam. The fact that ducking your head is not terrible advice means nothing. It's the five finger death touch that is the problem.

And this is how all martial arts make money, by telling you some common sense to get you nodding your head, along with a bunch of garbage you cannot verify without being in lots of real fights. Here's the thing...real life and death fights are not a skill anybody masters. If you try, you will get killed long before you master it wink.png. Thus, people teach stylized fighting with constraints and protections, and then pretend they handle anything that happens. How can you refute them? You would have to try to kill them...

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Ziryab wrote:
Festerthetester wrote:

To me with limited rifle experience 30-30 is one of those calibers like .22 short. Fun to shoot. Useless for hunting.

30-30 has killed more deer than any other caliber.

Maybe because of it's age?

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