The Birth of Rock & Roll

Thanks.  I just finished reading the wiki page on this strike. One thing caught my eye. There was an attempt to bypass the strike by recoding a capella. Here's one:
But why I mention this is that I had been reading just today how doo-wop music developed as an alternative to group members playing instrument...i.e. since they can't play, they  used their voices instead.  Unfortunately, most recorded doo-wop has instrumentation.

At least we have Paul Simon's nod to doo-wop groups in his "Rene and Georgette Magritte with Their Dog After the War":

Easily losing their evening clothes,
They danced by the light of the moon
To the Penguins, the Moonglows,
The Orioles, the Five Satins
The deep forbidden music
They'd been longing for.

That's what we're here for...

  IDK much about doo-wop but here's some info......                                                           https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoDCBMOwrZI                                 The Manhattan Transfer did a lot of doo-wop in their early days. They've got so much talent thow....anything they do is excellent.                                                           

certainly one of the best things  America has ever acheived , giving the world rock and roll 

         Big Joe Turner

Is that the Moonglows?

So, how does one even define Rock & Roll?

This is about the 50s

   I think the group was called "The Videos" batgirl......in the Trickle Trickle link                   

Rock started with a bang in the 1950s, rapidly improved through the 1960s and into the early 1970s, and then lost its way. There are individual exceptions, of course, but the 1980s were a shadow of the great era of rock.

Thanks.  Moonglows didn't seem right. 
btw, as a drummer, are you familiar with Hal Blaine?

"lost it's way"? that sounds like a 'get off my lawn' comment. 

great bands of the '70's and '80's include the cars, pink floyd, fleedwood mac, rush, queen, talking heads...

members of the smashing pumpkins say that one of their biggest influences was the cars. one could go further with the punk bands.

as far as the title, birth of rock, it is generally considered to be bill haley that started it (if it was already mentioned, sorry, i haven't read this whole topic). there is also some debate if the old blues artists were first. either way, the argument, to me, seems to be similar to chicken/egg. 

No one has attempted to define Rock and Roll.   How can we now what we're talking about if we can't describe it or at least identify indicators?

I'm not sure I can... so I feel like I know a lot about something I know nothing about.

After The Wall (1979) Pink Floyd was finished.

Talking Heads are Punk, not rock.

Fleetwood Mac did their best work in the 1970s. Queen, too.

The Cars are one of the exceptions that I mentioned, but you really do not want to put them in the same category as The Animals, early Pink Floyd, The Who at their best, The Rolling Stones, etc.

With Rush, you have an argument. But again, I noted there were exceptions. Wanna add Bruce Springfield?

a momentary lapse of reason is a great album, so, no, pf was not done after the wall.

(really, listen to it-it's great!)

i don't know how you consider talking heads punk, but, there is no difference when influential bands like them are played regularly on radio. david byrne now has a show where it is an eclectic form of music he has written. far from 'punk'.

did you mean springsteen?  if so it makes my point. the born to run album is considered a masterpiece, 

from the seventies.

in the eighties he released great music.

on many things we agree, but on this issue of musicians of the '70's and '80's not being on the level as those previous, this dude does not abide. 

one example:

i think it is a futile attempt to declare one decade has put out 'the best' music. 

i have never heard any musician talk about "glory days", where their music was the be all, end all. 

The rock & roll of nearly a century ago is unrecognizable compared to much of the forms of rock music today. 

That is to say, metal essentially came from rock, but there is nothing about metal music being listened to today that can be said to truly relate back to the "original" rock music, whether it is the sound or the ethos.