The illusion of identity

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Pulpofeira

It's only a matter of time. Don't waste it chasing ghosts here.

DiogenesDue
BlackLeopard-1 wrote:

I see that you have expert eye on what is photoshopped or not...are you a photographer?

Notwithstanding the photoshoppiness of photos found on google...you can't deny the beauty of nature...since you said you've been out there.

I am not a photographer nor a graphic artist by trade, but I dabble in both.

Nature is awe inspiring on it's own...nature photos don't need photoshopping any more than photos of women need photoshopping...they look beautiful as-is.

Wolfbird

Stephen Hawking, Stephen Hawking, Stephen Hawking.

It's not Hawkin. Or Hawkins.

Iluvsmetuna

You should read a lot of books.

That way you can think the same as other blokes and pretend to be sophisticated.

Wolfbird

As opposed to reading nothing and not thinking at all. Tongue Out

Iluvsmetuna

That's another non sekkatour, seen dozens this week.

trysts

I guess lluvsmetuna meant you have to read a lot of books about pretending to be sophisticatedLaughing

Iluvsmetuna

Someone do me up a bowl of tuna please, I'm busy reading Batman and Robin.

Wolfbird

Comic books are a start anyway.

Iluvsmetuna

Tuna is served! Time to catch a flick.

Joseph-S
tkbunny wrote:
i_never_castle wrote:
Joseph-S wrote:
i_never_castle wrote:
 

You're a real deep thinker Joe...

Do the internet a favour and unplug your keyboard.  

   You contributed nothing more than I did, so why don't you lead by example and unplug your keyboard.

Pfffft.  

some bad chemistry here ...

   Here, there and everywhere; so what's new about that?     Smile

einstein99

Landza is a bonehead!😉

tomtryto

So if it were true that in reality the person that you think you are doesn't exist, and you are chemical reactions in a universe which in which causality rules, how would that make you feel?

einstein99

Materialism doesn't produce feelings, ergo Cogito stupido!😋

tomtryto
einstein99 wrote:

Materialism doesn't produce feelings, ergo Cogito stupido!😋

How not? Feelings are related to the brain, heart, the nervous system etc.

Are these not material things?

tomtryto

So there are now two threads to the conversation, leaving aside the God stuff, one that perhaps we may not in fact control anything and don't infact exists in a meanigful way except as part of the wider universe, two that perhaps the universe itself is not impartial from us but rather that we to some degree create it.

gledz

This is a most interesting discussion. Although the arguments regarding the existence of God (mainly watch/desert island based) are strong and the arguments for string theory and its holographic universe are strong, blind acceptance of both or either of these theories restrict development in thought and Physics (as expounded on BBC radio this morning). In order to discuss freely, faith-based concepts must be discarded - "Personally I think" or believe matters not a jot in such a discussion and rather supports the argument that we do not have any free will because we would then be forced to react in line with such restrictive concepts that only serve to give us a blinkered view of the world. Much more can be gained by doubting everything. If we had not doubted the church, we would be happily admiring celestial spheres every night instead of watching satellite telly. So my input is basically, that to make progress in this argument or any field, it is wiser to start from the premise that we cannot be certain of anything so "I might think therefore I might be" before even accepting Descartes' meditations as being completely irrefutable proof. This is surely a beneficial exercise for followers of a religion. If you return to the same conclusion that God exists every time you question His existence, then surely your faith will become stronger and stronger. 

VULPES_VULPES
gledz wrote:

This is a most interesting discussion. Although the arguments regarding the existence of God (mainly watch/desert island based) are strong and the arguments for string theory and its holographic universe are strong, blind acceptance of both or either of these theories restrict development in thought and Physics (as expounded on BBC radio this morning). In order to discuss freely, faith-based concepts must be discarded - "Personally I think" or believe matters not a jot in such a discussion and rather supports the argument that we do not have any free will because we would then be forced to react in line with such restrictive concepts that only serve to give us a blinkered view of the world. Much more can be gained by doubting everything. If we had not doubted the church, we would be happily admiring celestial spheres every night instead of watching satellite telly. So my input is basically, that to make progress in this argument or any field, it is wiser to start from the premise that we cannot be certain of anything so "I might think therefore I might be" before even accepting Descartes' meditations as being completely irrefutable proof. This is surely a beneficial exercise for followers of a religion. If you return to the same conclusion that God exists every time you question His existence, then surely your faith will become stronger and stronger. 

Agreed. I experience this every day.

DiogenesDue
lucamovitch wrote:

I am amazed how you could turn God's creation into computer jargon. What is wrong with you? God created the photoshoppers too, you moron!

I'm sorry that you had no better way to respond than this, but you really left yourself no room for any logical rebuttal and this is probably the best you could come up with.  

Take heart, people will eventually forget about it and only retain a vague recollection of your failure here.

RonaldJosephCote

           btickler;  please don't antagonize him. Post 109 scares me,--"Dude, I am so smart on this"Cry    Part of me says, "Really, Enlighten us grasshopper".  Then another part of me says, "NO!..Cry he's only been here a week, NOoooo.