The Misogynist & The Feminist

I say the female's brain is just as performant as the male's brain (I'm accused of being a feminist)

I say it's wrong to treat women as less than animals (I'm accused of being a feminist)

I say women have their role to play in why the world is the way it is, 50% of the human population - mothers raising the men that are being criticized cannot claim zero responsibility. (I'm accused of being a misogynist).

Examples:

The woman that was punched unconscious in the elevator, instead of pressing charges and putting him behind bars where he belongs, she marries him. They will breed and raise children....what values do you think they will inculcate in them (if  only this was an isolated case...it is not).

Mothers who defend their sons who've committed crimes and blame the victims instead - do some googling - there is no shortage of it.

How is she raising her sons in the first place?

Psychopaths in power - there are women who love them (and who knows maybe goading them on from behind the scenes)

Sorry to dissappoint folks. I don't hop on wagons. I ride my own horse.

So! perhaps things would improve if people stopped warring and just addressed the problems rationally? (I know I'm going to get flak for this from all sides and angles)

And it may be another two thousand years before things reach a level where it is "equal" because both sexes are extremely stubborn in their ways.

Thanks!...I'm hearing only crickets so far...

Luck is on my side for sure...silence is peace.

Neither male nor female are superior, yet neither are they the same. Men and women think very differently. Men dominate the chess world, so women have to have their own championships. This isn't because women are inferior but just because they think differently. Women are better than men at some things and vice versa. Men and women are equal but equal does not = the same.

I don't think that what countvonGorski says can be proven at present...not so long as society conditions little girls to be this way and little boys to be that way.

Pink slippers and don't get your dress dirty Princess education for girls and Man up, don't be a girl education for boys...well you get two separate unequal different products right from the get-go.

I agree, the blame game really doesn't serve any purpose except to divide people and make it hard for them to cooperate and rationally address problems.

I do see changes (for the better) have occured though when observing youths in mid-twenties and younger....

Feufollet wrote:

I don't think that what countvonGorski says can be proven at present...not so long as society conditions little girls to be this way and little boys to be that way.

Pink slippers and don't get your dress dirty Princess education for girls and Man up, don't be a girl education for boys...well you get two separate unequal different products right from the get-go.

My words:

You may have done it accidentally but this image sounds a little stereotyped to me. My sister was very tomboyish yet always thought in a feminine way. If you presented her with a pink dress she'd throw the biggest tantrum you've ever seen. Despite this though she always remained feminine. Societal conditioning perhaps exaggerates it but men and women have different hormones which affect their thinking.

True estrogen and testosterone are very different hormones...hormones physiologically affect  the human body differently - it does on an emotional level and on the sensitivity level - but on the intellectual/mental capacity? this latter I'm not inclined to think that...

Interestingly though, I spent close to 20 years in France...and I think that French men and maybe even British men - sensitivity wise - are more "feminine" than American women (please note - this is NOT an insult).

I mean not an insult to either European men or to American women....

Unless being one or the other ("masculine" or "feminine") is insulting.

See it's a tough topic...I'd like to be frank and say things straight out but I know it will offend no matter which words I use.

But "feminity" and "masculinity" is also defined by and conditioned by the culture you live in.

The country where my parents grew up...grown men as friends, held hands, were affectionate in their friendships with one another....but all that's changed now. Western cultural dominance has wiped out the ways of the past....even in non-western countries via films, the internet...etc...they are beginning to adopt American ideals of "masculinity" and "femininity".

In every society throughout history men have always been masculine and women have always been feminine. Even in classical Greece, where homosexuality was all the rage, men where still masculine. Sometimes even more so than now. Men and women just think differently. As I said, men still dominate the chess world. If men and women where the same then this wouldn't be the case. Women can calculate as good as men but can't dream up crazy schemes to the same extent. They play like computers, seeing the best move in front of them.

 It's a good thing. Keeping fingers crossed.

I must admit I was expecting some nasty comments myself. Good to know that some people can still debate nicely.

Anyways, I don't think it is all that clear cut - who's feminine and who's masculine. A friend couple of mine - the husband is definitely the emotional one and she's the emotionally detached one...My neighbours - the guy is more refined and his wife a bit brutish...My sister and her boyfriend - she's the mother and he's the child...

Well, if I were to write a book, describing the different characters in close proximity around me ...I would describe them the way I observe them....it would be just literary exercise...the way an author describes their characters...

Okay. Below is an actual true scenario. I shall not say the name, nor the genders of the people involved in this scene. Were I to write a biography of this couple's domestic life...events would be related as faithfully in this manner.

JM says, " I think with what's going on at the office, it's..." Before JM was able to finish the sentence KS cuts in angrily, "You #$%^@! *8$5A@! #$&@*&!". KS then stands up abruptly knocking down the chair behind, face red with anger, storms out of the appartment and slams the door.  JM looks at me as if embarrassed to have exposed their domestic fights in front of me, a colleague. Says, "Sorry bout that"...

I wonder if I wrote the entire book in this manner...would we be able to tell which is the husband and which is the wife?

Agreed.

I have a tendency to think that the more articulate the poster, the more likely it is a woman.

The more crude the poster, the more likely it is a man.

But I realize that we have Robert Frosts and Vladamir Nabokovs as well as Kathy Griffins and Joan Rivers....

I am suspecting half the posters here to be women...but then again read the letters Napolean writes to Josephine

http://www.napoleonguide.com/lovelett.htm

George Carlin's my favourite comedian of all time...but I didn't find him vulgar...