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Tom, I do appreciate how you respond to everyone.  That definitely takes skill to keep up with all these threads of yours. 

Bobby Henderson is from Oregon!

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SA I'd love you not to post like that . It makes it hard to follow the conversation . The big copy and pastes. Link please.

Wow busy . Lovely to have company . I'm interested in Mexi and Carla's points and I'll respond .

First Nikprit . You are in trouble! Here it comes !

Okay no . I'm not in the same place actually .

I'll capture the things I know now I didn't then . I feel I'm changing my position on a few points but these are the points the change is complete .

Oh by the way I've learned some terrifically interesting things .

Like about non violent psychopaths and oxytocin the cuddle hormone and evolution
Anyway here goes .

Outside now Don !

I didn't understand how I could see I was love and yet experience that love .

How could I be both ?

I've realised though that actually the I does not exist . That actually awareness is the universe experiencing itself .

I can't choose anything including whether or not I experience so it's fair to say that the experience of love is not had by me as such .

I've also come to accept that time didn't exist pre the Big Bang . At the quantum level the laws of physics break down .

I think the change for me was while researching for my threads I discovered hawking believed that this universe we are is has only once experienced the Big Bang . After that I was more able to accept the idea that time once didn't exist .

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Ok!

Well I've also learned some things by mapping my consciousness .

I learned that experience is the observer and the observed in the present moment continually .

We see the world and ourselves as two separate things but when you really take notice what you see is that actually experience is a combination of your environment and yourself . It's a hybrid and the two things exist together and are entwined . Neither one more important than the other .

I think that actually my position now Nikprit isn't I am love . It's I am nothing . I'm still not entirely sure where the love fits in .

I thought that's what you said!  yes!  so now that you say you are nothing, so much can be done to be something!!    Is this humility i'm witnessing before my shades?  Tom? 

Okay Mexi and Carla . I'll address your points now .
I don't know all the answers but I'm interested in consciousness and identity and you are both exploring it with me which is great . Thank you .

Ha Mexi . Okay here it comes .

We talked about awareness . You both said how can the awareness of the guy in the cell be the same as the guy on the beach .

I think that we are getting confused . Maybe it's my language but I'll try to clarify .

So I think you are talking about experience . The experience of the guy with the beautiful view of the Hawaiian beach is different than the experience of the guy in the cell .

Awareness is different .

Awareness is how the experience happens .

How the senses work . So for example you could argue that a blind man has a diffident awareness than a seeing man . That's not true though is it ?

If I'm blindfolded my experience changes but my awareness doesn't .

Awareness is being . Being alive . Experiencing .

When we lose consciousness our awareness ends .

That's what happens when you die .

The reason it frightens you is you believe you are losing something .

You don't own consciousness though.

All awareness is is the universe experiencing itself .