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Feb 12, 2016
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#83
So let me ask you a question . Based on what you've heard what would you say the findings of the show are in respect to what we are ?
Feb 12, 2016
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#84
Certainly they'd say that the love within us is a naturally created emotion designed for us to function well as a species
Feb 12, 2016
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#85
They've said that most decision are actually made by the subconscious brain .
So what do you think they hold to be their position on free will as ? Are they saying we have limited control or no control at all ?
So what do you think they hold to be their position on free will as ? Are they saying we have limited control or no control at all ?
Feb 12, 2016
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#86
I'm still a little confused about the whole thing . I can accept that love is a natural thing for natural reasons and consciousness too actually . It's the finer detail.
Maybe it comes down to this Fh . Are we a passive observer as I experience or are we the ships Captain manning the wheel ?
Do you think they stated a position on that .
Einstein hawking and me all believe the truth is that we don't actually have any control at all
Maybe it comes down to this Fh . Are we a passive observer as I experience or are we the ships Captain manning the wheel ?
Do you think they stated a position on that .
Einstein hawking and me all believe the truth is that we don't actually have any control at all
Its not over yet, there are two more episodes. The brain is controlling everything, mostly sub consciously. All the neurons in the brain work together, and drive the body. The body and the brain work in tandem, unless something gets damaged. What we are would seem to be the sum of genes inherited and life experience.
Feb 12, 2016
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#88
Having said that perhaps urges and such like can be resisted .
I found myself that worrying about losing my temper led to it happening . So certainly we can be more in control .
Ghostess put it well saying if I can do what I want that's enough for me .
Regardless of whether or not we are choosing what we want
I found myself that worrying about losing my temper led to it happening . So certainly we can be more in control .
Ghostess put it well saying if I can do what I want that's enough for me .
Regardless of whether or not we are choosing what we want
Free will was covered last week and i did post on it. While we are driven by our particular brain make up, life is not mapped out, it is unpredictable, so our conscious nrain makes decisions then.
Feb 12, 2016
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#90
Right so forgive me if I'm misunderstanding you but I think you are saying that we are a mixture of a brain and our environment.
This identity thing is just a bubble of an illusion part of how the brain is making sense of things and interacting with the body
This identity thing is just a bubble of an illusion part of how the brain is making sense of things and interacting with the body
Feb 12, 2016
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#91
Right . What's this conscious brain though ?
I mean is it something that is outside of our control or within our control ?
It's hard to capture what I mean . Are we in reality as I think only observers or are we controllers?
Do you think they stated their view .
I'm sorry if you're telling me but I'm not hearing.
They think limited free will exists do you think ?
I mean is it something that is outside of our control or within our control ?
It's hard to capture what I mean . Are we in reality as I think only observers or are we controllers?
Do you think they stated their view .
I'm sorry if you're telling me but I'm not hearing.
They think limited free will exists do you think ?
There was an experiment about decision making. A train is out of control and will kill four workmen on the line. But next to you is a lever that would send the train off onto a side line where it would kill just one man. Would you pull the lever. 99% said they would, i felt i wouldnt. Why not? Id consider it murder to deliberately change the direction of the train, but not if i left it alone. Others felt killing one to save four was justified.
What would you do?
Feb 12, 2016
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#94
I think though you more or less had it right Fh when you said we are a mixture of our brain and our environment. There is no real us . Just a biological and chemical organism and a material world .
I think that's the closest I've heard to a model that matches my experience and makes logical sense and fits with what the likes of hawking and Einstein are saying
I think that's the closest I've heard to a model that matches my experience and makes logical sense and fits with what the likes of hawking and Einstein are saying
We are in control when the unpredictable happens but within the parameters of our personalities, if that makes sense.
Feb 12, 2016
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#96
I like the non duality too Fh . I like this we are not solely the brain but too our material environment for sure it's true that we naturally evolve and respond in reaction to what's around us . It's all one
Feb 12, 2016
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#97
Oh pull the lever Fh ! Are you kidding me ?! For sure . The truth is if you allowed things to continue you'd feel responsible for three deaths that could have been avoided .
It's a no win scenario .
It's a no win scenario .
Feb 12, 2016
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#98
I think it does .
Let me put it like this . Absolutely they're is no control . You've mentioned personality . We could use other terms but I know what you mean .
We don't control who we are . But we interact with the world in a deliberate way .
It's just not us that controls which way we push .
My belief Fh is we observe our want and our drive to get it and assume that means we are in control but we never wanted to be the way we are it just happened
Let me put it like this . Absolutely they're is no control . You've mentioned personality . We could use other terms but I know what you mean .
We don't control who we are . But we interact with the world in a deliberate way .
It's just not us that controls which way we push .
My belief Fh is we observe our want and our drive to get it and assume that means we are in control but we never wanted to be the way we are it just happened
Feb 12, 2016
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#99
Still I know the show talked about unconsciously we deal with simple things and consciously technical things . I recall your earlier posts .
The thing is Fh I do want to consider other points of view and understand them
The thing is Fh I do want to consider other points of view and understand them
The Brain this week was about decision making...it is the interaction between logic and emotion. A lady with brain damage lost the emotional connection to her intellect and as a consequence she found she could no longer make simple decisions. That is partly why we need emotion. When only her intellect was operating, her brain was overloaded with information with no means to evaluate a decision. When emotion is involved, decisions are made swiftly and easilly. Love, it said, is the release of oxytocin in the brain, and its function is to keep you with a partner for the nurturing of your children. Two parents are better than one. There are ongoing experiments into treating addiction by surpressing thoughts, by actively battling what your brain tells you to do. Thats it, in a nut shell, the whole series has been marvellous.