What Covid-19 vaccines have you had?

Kinda offensive if you ask me. I’m not not thinking straight. Here’s my reasons- it is not tested by the FDA. I do not take untested vaccines. Two, like I said, you’ve got 20, maybe 30 years on me. My immune system is great and working. The number of people under twenty who’ve had Covid and died only- important word here- only of Covid is very small. And when you look at the health of these kids before the cold, oh my. They are diabetic, have severe asthma, obese, etc. Not to be stereotypical, but that’s the truth.  I don’t fill any of those health problems. I don’t see how a young healthy kid could possibly die from a variation of the flu. I’ve had Covid once, a while ago. Only had sniffles and cold sweats. That’s it. No medication. No doctor. No hospital.Only cold symptoms. So, ask yourself, what’s the probability that this kid, 132J, could die of Covid because he hasn’t had the untested- by- the- FDA- approved vaccine? Really? I mean come on. If I didn’t get Covid bad the first time,  I certainly will not get such different results next time. So please, stop being a vaccine advertisement. Move on. You’re not gonna make me take it.

Regards, 132J.

All I can say is that it's instinctive for me, just as with my wife it was instinctive for her to be fully vaccinated. It reflects our respective dealings with the health service. She owes her life to them and I have virtually never seen a doctor for 30 years. My daughter in law has to be fully vaccinated because she works for the NHS, although at the moment she's halfway through a year's maternity leave. I have never asked my son if he's vaxxed. He probably is. None of them have offered an opinion on whether I should be vaxxed. But it's back to instinct for me and vaccinations. I'm fitter and stronger than a lot of people thirty years younger than me. Why mess with something that's working?

I hate shots.  I hate the thought of a needle going into my skin.  I did wear a mask though... if only to make others in public feel better, but I didn't care to wear one. Like I said, it was to make others in public feel better, I had no problem with others feeling a need or desire for the masks. If it made them feel better, fine.  If I'd gotten really sick I might've done more but I never did get sick really. Just normal every now and then minor colds.

Waiting for Elroch to configure some snarky response…

Looking at Elroch's picture he looks mid 50s, at a guess. Might be 15 or 16 years younger than me. If you say he has 20 to 30 years on you (or whatever) and you describe yourself as a kid, maybe the age difference is in the right direction for you and so you're around 30, +/- 5.

First point to answer, there is some risk to young, fit people from Covid, since a few people died from massive organ failure. Statistically, it's a low risk compared with crossing the road.

I think I have had Covid a minimum of three times. Right at the very beginning, around Feb to March 2020 and I had long Covid. I exercised right through it, which wiped me out, because an 11 mile fast walk was tiring me out for two days and I was doing three every 8 days plus some weights (70 pound weights multiple lifts up to 300 in a day) and I came out of it fitter than I'd been for years. Then twice in 2022, but I didn't like the Covid tests and since they're unreliable, I only tested myself once all told. In 2020 my daughter in law was a senior registrar in infectious diseases at a prestigious hospital and she told me I had had Covid ("definitely"), according to the symptoms. I didn't involve any authorities, never reported anything .... certainly didn't mention it to her until after long Covid went away, because it would have put her into a difficult position. She would have had to report me, causing a lot of inconvenience. I just behaved responsibly so as not to transmit it. What worried me is that people were being told to rest and not to exercise, and to stay indoors. Worst possible advice, I should imagine.

I would have probably caught it a lot from my wife, who kept on working all the way through because she works in an area of healthcare which brings her into contact with people. She was asymptomatic. And from shopping. The idea that masks stop transmission is very dodgy indeed.

It seems, according to some stats I read, that in countries with a low obese population, Covid kills very few. To me, that indicates that Covid might mutate in fat people into a form that's very easy to pass to other fat people. Because death rate seemed to be proportional to percentage of fat people in the population, and I couldn't think of any other mechanism that would cause that.

You think I’m thirty? I wish… but I can’t vote yet if you really want to know. So that helps my case. 40 to fifty years older than me. So I don’t need the vaccine. I’ll put this flatly- you’re a lot of years older than me. For your generation, I’d recommend the vaccine. But for me, a person who isn’t old enough to even vote yet, does not need it. Just saying, if my doctor recommends to NOT have the vaccine, I’m listening to him. I ain’t getting the jab.

On what expertise would you recommend the vaccine? Why do you think it applies to my generation? I agree your generation shouldn't need it. I suppose you assumed Elroch was a lot younger than he is. You should have realised that his insistence on the vaccine puts him more in mine than in yours.

My VO2 max is currently 49. It peaked at 53 last year and I have no excuse for it being below 50 really.

Although sensible in.principle the vaccines were.created.in.great haste.There was pressure to  speed up the process in view of the urgency.Normally.there should be more.time to attempt to perfect.its development.Those.who have had.the vaccines have had a vast number of differing effects.A number of persons who had.the.full number.of vaccines still caught COVID whilst some who.had none all.have escaped it.

I’d say possibly to take the vaccine. Couldn’t hurt for you. Older relatives have had it. Grandparents too. And you never know how old someone is. I feel that a young adult need not the untested vaccine. Bluntly, I’ll be on the Earth longer than some of you and I plan on taking nothing that could possibly hinder my development.

Oh, for your information, I have a flotilla of doctors. My general doctor warned me against it as for my age. I have true perfect health and so he said that I would not need it. He is not a wackass doctor. He has a triple PHD from Harvard. So, I’m gonna listen to him. Like you said, I’m not trying to argue but you may not have access to the health professionals that I have. Tryna not to argue.😀

The HUGE difference that depends on vaccination is the negative effects caused by the VIRUS being so much greater towards the unvaccinated end of the scale. Eg one conclusion was a 10 times greater risk of death. Overall, the net effect of vaccination against Covid has definitely saved millions of lives based on these empirically observed differences.

Other differences (to those associated with the purpose of vaccination) - which disproportionately occupy your attention - are tiny to the point of being scarcely detectable.

It is very important to be detached and balanced in considering the value of an option.

Waiting for a response… *whistles*

I've already lived through two flu pandemics. I think I was very ill with the one in the 50s but just got better in a few days. I remember the doctor coming. When the pandemic in the 60s came I was super-fit and if I had a cold I'd just exercise hard. Because of this I know my immune system works fine, so I'm less at risk than your generation, until I get into my 80s or if I became obese or ill with something else. Age is a relative thing. Even if many people aged 71 are falling apart, I'm not.

If my daughter in law recommended that I get a vaccine for Covid I'd do so because I know she's honest and thinks about the person too. But one November about three or four years ago, I had a blood test and it turned out I was diabetic and had high cholesterol. My GP wrote me a prescription for statins. I thought about it overnight and ripped it up. I immediately cut out 3/4 of my alcohol intake and 5/6 of my fat intake and started doing three 11 mile fast walks every eight days. I told the daughter in law what I'd done and she gave me til the next June and if it hadn't worked, I had to go on the statins. It worked. My varicose veins also went away. If she said I had to get a Covid jab, I'd do so. She hasn't even hinted that I should.

My reasoning was thus: "once you're on statins, there's no way back .... you're as good as signing up for a slow death".