Why don't you return to your Atheist and Theists Group, and continue your "astute" discussion there ?
Your occasional soft tone in this thread belies both your overall tenor, and your regular invective, as posted hundreds of times above.
That's the public record, is it not ?
Have a nice weekend.
I find myself being in complete agreement with PW. Excuse me, I'm going to lie down for a bit and see if the feeling passes...
Evolution is only seeing patterns by a species evolved to see patterns. It is not real.
Yes, patterns are found. Then those patterns are tested by making predictions with them and checking those predictions. Then this is repeated thousands of times and if it never fails, to an extent that make is utterly implausible that the pattern is illusory, the pattern is called a theory, such as the Theory of Evolution.
Presumably your knowledge doesn't extend past the first sentence.
btw...I edited my earlier post about you being a freethinker. It's ok if you want to be a freethinker.
Funny, SpikeWilliam's claim while he was incomprehensibly cutting and pasting every creation article he could find was that he was a 'freethinker'.
Subconsciously the term 'freethinker' feels like an insult now.
Elroch! Lines or Hail Marys
Freethinker has traditionally meant atheist.
I think people should be cautious attributing favorable characteristics to themselves.
The paradigm is Dennett calling all people who agree with him, "brights".
He does his position no favors by such jejune conceit.
These days many atheists are constrained by the boundaries imposed upon them by radical materialism and scientism.
That hardly qualifies as freethinking.
Anyone who goes to University and is either a political conservative or an orthodox Christian is going to be on the receiving end of a lot of "freethinking". This is a terrible stain on your beliefs, and only the thin veneer of civilization keeps you from burning books and the heretics who own them.
I find myself being in complete agreement with PW. Excuse me, I'm going to lie down for a bit and see if the feeling passes...
That's because we are both men of good will, staunch character, conservative values and high accomplishments.
hapless_fool wrote: "Freethinker has traditionally meant atheist. I think people should be cautious attributing favorable characteristics to themselves."
We were getting along so nicely, then you had to say this.
hapless: "Anyone who goes to University and is either a political conservative or an orthodox Christian is going to be on the receiving end of a lot of "freethinking". This is a terrible stain on your beliefs, and only the thin veneer of civilization keeps you from burning books and the heretics who own them."
Give me a break. Frankly, I detest far-left liberal professors. There is an over-supply.
zborg: Blah...blah...blah...I am mad at the world.
Funny, SpikeWilliam's claim while he was incomprehensibly cutting and pasting every creation article he could find was that he was a 'freethinker'.
Subconsciously the term 'freethinker' feels like an insult now.
Lol...that is hilarious. He is anything but a freethinker.
Hi to everyone.
Guys, I came here to give answers to all you that directed questions to me. I'm not able to log in too much. Sometimes only in the weekend, and this Forum is very active, which makes the comments be far away in just one or two days. This to not mention that some comments are really big (almost the size of a full page), so it makes impossible to me read all them... You comments to me are more than 20 pages behind.
But I don't want to let you all without a response. So, I'm going to name some of you guys and give answers in a resume way, ok?
pawnwhacker: when I told Elroch that "I hate when people edit a already answered comment" I was refering to his own previous comment to me, not yours. I laughed when you called me "Prima Donna" hahaha!
But it's not that... I fought back when you called my comment a "carp" because even if it wasan't you intention, it seemed as "crap". But if you say it's an inoffensive "carp", it's ok. I'll believe in you.
You asked me if I'm Catholic Roman. No, i'm not. My family was, since ancient ages (much, much before they come to Brazil). But when I was 13 years old, my mother started with a new vision of things. I honestly don't know how to call it in English, but in Portuguese is "Espiritismo" or "Kardecismo". It was made by the observations of many mediuns, and codified by Allan Kardec, in France, during the XIX century. (What a coincidence! The topic is talking about the work of a man that lived at the same time - Darwin).
So, I don't believe the Earth was created in 6 days, for example. But to talk about all it here would turn your Forum to be a explanation about my religion, and not Darwin's work. If you want more information, could you just take a look on Google? It would allow me to not keep typing so extensive comments.
You are proclaiming that I didn't read the book because I told that Darwin was trying to explain his own problems with his work. Since it's not a psychological work, you believe that I only typed that for not having read it. But it's not true. When I wrote this I meant that Darwin was a religious man, until the death of his daughter, when we jumped into the work (you know that, any biography or even wikipedia can show that). And I believe that here is the reason to the materialist conduct of him. I'm not saying that he was trying to explain why his kids was ill, but he turned against God since then. See now?
You directed other questions to me, but it was made by MindWalk too, so, I'll answer to him and the responce keeps to you too, ok? See you, man.
MindWalk, now to you.
First of all, thank you for showing that the way pawnwhacker was using the work "carp" was meant to be "crap". But this is already solved.
You asked me about the spiritual ascendance. God exists, and created laws in the Universe that is followed by all (including Him) since the beginning. It's not just on Earth, but the entire Universe. We are not just bodies of flesh with some strange temporary life. And in the end we turn to be... nothing. You do have an Spirit. One thing is your body, another is your soul. The first is temporary and will have the same destination of all material things: aging, decomposition and transformation. The second is the immaterial being and it's eternal. This is what you really are: this immaterial thing that survives the destruction of your body.
The proves of all this are being took by many scientists and mediuns around the World, specialy here in Brazil. Let me be the first to tell you that many bad intentioned people try to get advantage over this. But they are the enemies to be overcome. It's not because bad doctors existed that the Medicine is wrong. Same thing here.
The problem is that people don't use to want the true. They don't think "let me see if God and Spirits exist". That's the way they think: "God and Spirits don't exist. So, it dosen't matter who you are and what you say. if it is at the God's side, than it's a lie". What would you think of an physics scientist that came here and say: "I don't believe in the gravity force. So, all in favor of this is a lie". Would you give him credit, just for denying everything against his believes? No. Same thing here.
And don't forget: many people enjoy and defend until the end the inexistence of God because this is good for they. Those who live a wrong life have too much to fear (I'm not saying that is the case of someone here).
We have proves of God all day, MindWalk, we just don't want to see. And I'm not talking in this fanatic way, but being true. Many things are wrong in religion, but this will ask for a big discussion.
Well, if you are interested, we can talk about it during the days. I can show to you what I believe to be the prove, and you make your judgement. See you!
Elroch: I believe your questions was the same made by pawnwhacker and MindWalk, correct?
Can you read my comments to they? But I left to talk with you about my sentence "one day man will prove all". Well, this should not be a surprise... At each day science grow and discover many new things. Here, in "Kardecismo" we do believe in science, my friend! The only difference to someone like me to others here is the materialism. They believe all is comming from nothing. I believe in God (or any other name you give to this entity). But not a believe as you are used to see here.
Some scientists are being able to photography Spirits. Others are proving the true about some communications with what they call "the other side". Why so much surprise? This things happens all day at our side. Do you prefer to believe that you are just flesh, than accept to have a Spirit, even if it's being comproved? See, my friend?
Day to day, man will discovering new things and explanations. One day (don't ask me when) we will "find" God. You can be sure. But until there, we fight here to make the progress grow.
hapless_fool, I agree with you in many points, although I have, as I told to others, a different way of looking to all this. Another religion. But I respect deeply all religions.
It's true what you typed me in a comment. Many people here don't want to talk about the true, just give their arguments e make you accept it. And it's a pity... we could have a good conversation here, but It need to be with respect.
What the materialist people need to understand is that offend a man's religion is the same thing of offending the person itself.
But we do what we can... I hope for a good conversation to you here man. Don't let all this drive you crazy! hahaha
Have a good day. See you...
_Number_6: the Portuguese sentence that you typed to me is only used to very stupid people. If you think that applies to me, I simple don't talk to you. But don't be so fast in trying to hit people with this kind of expression, because doing this, you only show that it actually applies to yourself.
Wow... guys, you can't complain about attention from my side, right?
If I missed some comment or made mistakes in any answer, be good gentlemens and give me some forgiveness, because I wrote a lot and tried to compile all comments directed to me in those answers.
You all here can talk to me. Can ask things (I'll respond if I know the answer and can give it). You can disagree of me always.
But I ask for the respect of you all. If it is to offend, it's better not talk. See you all!
Well, here then. You've been a major critic of this thread. Including your post, three above. Why do you visit a thread that you don't like? Don't tell me...I am being rhetorical.
But, why don't you post something astute on the topic of evolution? Try building something for once. Tearing down is a form of vandalism. Enlighten us, entertain us, build a noteworthy legacy...