What is average IQ?

Aren't you the salty one with a 128 IQ? 

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@Optimissed

The scary part about your comments is that in my case, you are right for the wrong reasons. A high IQ is not the only thing I've been diagnosed with, but I'd rather not go into the details on that one because I've been in these discussions before and they get quite toxic.

"some people whose IQ is measured high don't think well", you said. The thing is that gifted people think a LOT. I can try to respond speaking from experience but for most topics I do not know if it's mostly because of a high IQ or of the other things, but I do know that the thinking things over and over in your head is enhanced by a brain that's 'on' all the time. These thoughts are actually mostly negative things that spiral inside someone's head, not necessarily the positive things, for those have already circled in our head and got a good result. This is due to perfectionism, something very common amongst gifted people.

A reason for people with a high IQ to be more socially distanced than others can be very difficult is likely not because of us enjoying our mental world. Ironically, the other side is more likely to be true, which is that we see past our shortcomings and are therefore very cautious and insecure - also because of perfectionism.

And I don't automatically assume I'm right, if I can speak for myself. I'm almost always doubting myself, what I do and what I say, and about 90% of the time I feel regret for what I have done and what I think I should have done.

Most of us people with a very high IQ have a feeling of being misunderstood because we think quite literally at another level than others. It's this feeling of being misunderstood that's an underlying factor behind all our insecurities in life. But to say that's because of a very high IQ alone is quite a controversial and disturbing thing to say, especially to someone who endures these mental pains.

Just about everything you said in #22 is something I feel very offended by because it is this prejudice that we fear others have, and have therefore misunderstood us. We are struggling, not avoiding. I'd deem it a description of someone with a very deeply rooted passion. If there's anything people with a high IQ would not want is to boost their own ego because we are well aware of others around us also having feelings and opinions.

IQ has no representation of intelligence and anyone who says otherwise is just trying to cover for their mediocore accomplishments in life. Even the creator of the test did not believe it had any real grounding.

Being smart doesn't necessarily mean you think a lot, and has nothing to do with perfectionism. You're confusing personality defects with high IQ.

I will say that it's harder for smart people to be social... I usually have a lot of problems when I talk, halting my speech a lot, because I have to constantly translate things into more common words... because I don't want to come across as smart or arrogant.

And like you said, you might think of things on a different level, connect ideas, or see solutions... but you can't say those things because you'd be annoying to people around you.

It's a totally different experience when you get to be around other smart people, at least for me... I can just relax and say whatever I'm thinking... and sometimes I end up saying something dumb! That's such a nice feeling, to be the dumb one in the room sometimes.

I don't think I'm going to have this conversation with you. The prejudices you make are quite offending to me. And if I can say it, you sound quite smart and arrogant right now. To me you come across as someone who automatically thinks they're right.

I've been in many discussions with professionals for help on these problems before and your way of explaining it is not so much false but just a wrong and horrid way of explaining it. It does not correlate with what I've been told and what I've read on giftedness.

You can read post #27 again in case you want to know these views. Again, I'm not saying you are wrong, but you are not having a tone with which I'd like to have such a serious discussion.

That fine. I just wanted to share my experience because I usually don't get to talk about this stuff with anyone.

For what it's worth, I realize it doesn't necessarily mean I'm smart... just that certain choices I've made in my life mean I'm not often surrounded by people that I can relax around and say whatever I want... but sometimes I get to be in a different environment, and when I'm there it feels a lot better for me.

I had a feeling you were speaking from experience.

What you were explaining is what many of us are afraid of being like, but think/hope we're not. And we're probably not, or everyone else who's told us we are good human beings are telling lies out of sorrow.

Like I said, for me it's probably a different story than it is for others because I'm not just someone with a high IQ. I have other things as well. And the combination of them is... quite a disaster. I can name a few thoughts if you'd like to hear them.

Yeah, I've been reminded of that before  "you worry too much about what others are thinking... they're probably not thinking about you at all!" that sort of thing.

Sure, you can tell me more if you want. I often come across as argumentative on the forums but I like to think I'm actually a nice guy heh. In other words I wont try to start a fight with you or anything like that.

In the USA the average IQ seems to have gone down judging by the tens of millions of people who believe a habitual liar,

• I didn't know you ran for president ponz???

Most people have an utterly broken epistemology, and worse, or maybe I should say this is the natural result when, they don't care that it's broken.

Demagogues have existed in every time and place... why? Humans are good at forming small social circles and screwing to make babies... they're less good at everything else, and worse, or (again) as a natural result of, they don't have the disposition or energy to think about much else.

xXx  I did not run for president but if I  had been president in 2020--there would not be 450,000 deaths from COVID.

You take an average person, give them a job that pays for food, shelter, and clothing, and give them a romantic relationship... and that's it. That's what makes most people happy. That's life.

These people are not fit to govern because they lack perspective and ambition... but this flaw is both a functional flaw and a practical flaw. A practical flaw because someone who is more Machiavellian will cut them off at the knees (so to speak).

So our common people are unfit, but what can we say of our leaders? They're just as bad. Individual ambition is a practical boon, but a functional flaw. Leaders secure their power first, and worry about governing if and as necessary.

The result is throughout human history societies cease being all the time, either suddenly through revolution / disaster, or gradually through reforms... and it all comes down to the fact that we're pretty good at making babies, but not much else. Everything else is this sort of gross unnatural experiment... a byproduct of our curiosity

Thanks for the history lesson 

Heh, whatever.

It's late night / early morning and I'm drunk.

lol ur still the best history teacher ive had

Thanks for appreciation...