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Twentyappels

There is a problem with the chess drawing system. When there are only 2 knights on the board, chess.com says it is a "Draw from insufficient material." This is a flawed reason for a draw for 2 reasons, first of all there are checkmates possible with only 2 knights. This is a checkmate with only 2 knights https://www.chess.com/analysis?tab=analysis. Second off all I know that if the one lone king plays their moves right it can be a draw even with 2 knights on the other side, but other positions like flank pawns ere not "Draws from insufficient material" Even though the king can get above a flank pawn. What your team needs to do is allow 2 knights to not be a forced draw, thank you for listening.

Martin_Stahl
Twentyappels wrote:

There is a problem with the chess drawing system. When there are only 2 knights on the board, chess.com says it is a "Draw from insufficient material." This is a flawed reason for a draw for 2 reasons, first of all there are checkmates possible with only 2 knights. This is a checkmate with only 2 knights https://www.chess.com/analysis?tab=analysis. Second off all I know that if the one lone king plays their moves right it can be a draw even with 2 knights on the other side, but other positions like flank pawns ere not "Draws from insufficient material" Even though the king can get above a flank pawn. What your team needs to do is allow 2 knights to not be a forced draw, thank you for listening.

It is a draw here. The site doesn't use the FIDE implementation of mate possible by any series of legal moves. Something closer to the US Chess rule is used

https://support.chess.com/article/128-what-does-insufficient-mating-material-mean

https://support.chess.com/article/268-my-opponent-ran-out-of-time-why-was-it-a-draw

Twentyappels

The Us chess system is flawed in this way

EndgameEnthusiast2357

I agree it's absurd. Not only that, but because it only considers the mating material on one side, a player could deliberately let his time run out when he knows he is going to be checkmated and get a draw out of a forced loss position. For example:

In all of these positions above, white can just not move, and will be guaranteed a draw on this site. The FIDE rules should be implemented here, if checkmate is possible in any way, it's a win. The irony is that the site also doesn't recognize actual drawn positions and makes the players make 50 more random moves, such as this position below where checkmate is impossible by either side via any moves:

EndgameEnthusiast2357

I have threads on this topic:

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/livechess/draws-declared-by-remaining-mating-material-rather-than-possibility-of-checkmate-is-illogical

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/site-feedback/dead-position-detection-proposal

Twentyappels

This is very important, maybe is one player has checkmate by stockfish analysis then chess.com can relies that white or black has sufficient material to checkmate.

EndgameEnthusiast2357

Black should lose if he runs out of time here:

Since he can still be chcekmated by that white knight.

Twentyappels

how can white checkmate since black can just take the knight in a smothered scenario

EndgameEnthusiast2357

Because the knight can checkmate vs a rook:

Black can proceed to lose every one of his Queens, or even just move his Queens into positions where they don't attack f7 or h6, and then back himself into a corner with the king and rook letting the knight checkmate. If it was all Queens, checkmate would be impossible.

Twentyappels

that is crazy