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this needs to go to people like wind
fr
this needs to go to people like wind
This forum should become a petition to remove auto-abandonment. And in that case, I.
because this happened to me like a million times, ven in important tourneys, but I never though much of it since my elo is not that good.
Yes lets be fair. Its not the one players problem that their opponent is having internet and connection issues. That unfortunately is a know issue of playing chess online. They should therefore not have to wait because of your issue for longer than the current allotted time to return. Furthermore if someone knows they are losing and purposefully disconnect once again someone has to sit and wait by your recommendation even longer than the current allotted time.
fr
this needs to go to people like wind
This forum should become a petition to remove auto-abandonment. And in that case, I.
The site won't remove the feature. Too many people abandon games, so there needs to be a mechanism so their opponents don't have to wait for someone that isn't coming back, or who might come back in the last seconds of the game to make a move.
How much time you have to reconnect, depends on the time control and the evaluation at disconnect.
https://support.chess.com/en/articles/8593801-how-does-game-abandonment-work
Yes lets be fair. Its not the one players problem that their opponent is having internet and connection issues. That unfortunately is a know issue of playing chess online. They should therefore not have to wait because of your issue for longer than the current allotted time to return. Furthermore if someone knows they are losing and purposefully disconnect once again someone has to sit and wait by your recommendation even longer than the current allotted time.
But you agreed to sit for that amount of time, there's no difference between you waiting while your opponent is thinking and you waiting while your opponent has disconnected. You're not losing any extra time than you agreed to play.
fr
this needs to go to people like wind
This forum should become a petition to remove auto-abandonment. And in that case, I.
The site won't remove the feature. Too many people abandon games, so there needs to be a mechanism so their opponents don't have to wait for someone that isn't coming back, or who might come back in the last seconds of the game to make a move.
How much time you have to reconnect, depends on the time control and the evaluation at disconnect.
https://support.chess.com/en/articles/8593801-how-does-game-abandonment-work
But why? FIDE also just waits until your clock runs out, which could take hours. You literally agree to how much time you're spending on your game. It makes no sense that chess.com decides to award those with good internet. Sure, people will abandon their games on purpose, and repeated abandonment should result in punishment, but you can't punish the innocent too when logical reasoning literally disproves your argument.
But why? FIDE also just waits until your clock runs out, which could take hours. You literally agree to how much time you're spending on your game. It makes no sense that chess.com decides to award those with good internet. Sure, people will abandon their games on purpose, and repeated abandonment should result in punishment, but you can't punish the innocent too when logical reasoning literally disproves your argument.
If you get up and leave the venue, you're going to lose the game, even in an OTB tournament. While players may agree to a maximum possible time frame for a game, they do so with the idea that they are actually going to be playing, not waiting for time to run out.
But why? FIDE also just waits until your clock runs out, which could take hours. You literally agree to how much time you're spending on your game. It makes no sense that chess.com decides to award those with good internet. Sure, people will abandon their games on purpose, and repeated abandonment should result in punishment, but you can't punish the innocent too when logical reasoning literally disproves your argument.
If you get up and leave the venue, you're going to lose the game, even in an OTB tournament. While players may agree to a maximum possible time frame for a game, they do so with the idea that they are actually going to be playing, not waiting for time to run out.
Yes you're going to lose the game if you leave the venue, but they key here is that you're going to lose the game on time. And as for "playing", you're waiting for your opponent one way or another. If chess.com didn't say "disconnected", there would be no way to tell if your opponent left or they were just thinking-- it's the exact same experience.
Face the facts, there's no reason for the auto-abandonment system.
Yes you're going to lose the game if you leave the venue, but they key here is that you're going to lose the game on time. And as for "playing", you're waiting for your opponent one way or another. If chess.com didn't say "disconnected", there would be no way to tell if your opponent left or they were just thinking-- it's the exact same experience.
Face the facts, there's no reason for the auto-abandonment system.
If you leave the OTB playing site during a game, and the arbiters see you leave, you'll be forfeited. Many events don't allow players to leave the designated playing areas or monitored areas.
It is very unlikely the site will ever remove the abandonment code.
This has nothing to do with Over the Board. 1 minute is so bad. Like what if you are playing and then the internet goes bad and after 1 minute u forfeit but u are playing a 30 min??? You should at least vary abandonment time by how much time u have left, example 1/10 of the time.
Yes you're going to lose the game if you leave the venue, but they key here is that you're going to lose the game on time. And as for "playing", you're waiting for your opponent one way or another. If chess.com didn't say "disconnected", there would be no way to tell if your opponent left or they were just thinking-- it's the exact same experience.
Face the facts, there's no reason for the auto-abandonment system.
If you leave the OTB playing site during a game, and the arbiters see you leave, you'll be forfeited. Many events don't allow players to leave the designated playing areas or monitored areas.
It is very unlikely the site will ever remove the abandonment code.
Leaving the venue and stalling are two different things. Straight from FIDE's rules, 12. Players are not allowed to leave the ‘playing venue’ without permission from the arbiter. The playing venue is defined as the playing area, rest rooms, refreshment area, area set aside for smoking and other places as designated by the arbiter. The player having the move is not allowed to leave the playing area without permission of the arbiter.
However, the player can sit there and just run their clock out. Nobody does it OTB because it's just a waste of time and they just resign to get away, but with online chess we don't have this luxury and people can and will abandon but it's impossible to tell and you can't punish sheep because there are a few goats when you can't tell if it's a sheep or goat.
On the flip side, I would not waste more than like 1:30 trying to wait for my opponent to get back online in a blitz game...
Leaving the venue and stalling are two different things. Straight from FIDE's rules, 12. Players are not allowed to leave the ‘playing venue’ without permission from the arbiter. The playing venue is defined as the playing area, rest rooms, refreshment area, area set aside for smoking and other places as designated by the arbiter. The player having the move is not allowed to leave the playing area without permission of the arbiter.
However, the player can sit there and just run their clock out. Nobody does it OTB because it's just a waste of time and they just resign to get away, but with online chess we don't have this luxury and people can and will abandon but it's impossible to tell and you can't punish sheep because there are a few goats when you can't tell if it's a sheep or goat.
Abandonment is considered leaving the venue. The site can't determine if there's just a connection issue or the other player is gone. Therefore, an amount of time, based on the time control is allotted to reconnect, otherwise the game is ended.
There are two players in this. The site also wants to be cognizant of the connected player and not waste their time. If the problem with purposeful abandonment was rare, the site wouldn't need abandonment code. 🫤
I've tolerated this for years now, but today I finally had my breaking point.
The auto-resign system after somebody disconnects from the game is completely broken and is extremely unfair. Only giving 60 seconds to reconnect to a game is purely impossible.
Let's be real: when you click that play button you're signing up to play a game that takes as long as you've agreed to- so why do disconnected players get rushed? It makes no sense why you shouldn't just wait until our clock runs out- sure, for 30+ minute games this gets annoying and after 5-10 minutes auto-resign makes sense. But 60 seconds? You're giving us absolutely 0 time to reconnect.
I just took 2 minutes to get my internet back working yet low and behold chess.com decided to rip me of my elo in a winning position when I still had over 2 minutes on my clock! I had a whole blitz game I could've played, but yet chess.com is just trying to get everybody to play as many games as possible so they get their stupid money.
Let's be fair: you signed up to play for that many minutes, you shouldn't feel impatient to play that many. If you don't like waiting, then you're agreeing to the wrong time controls, because I very well could spend 90 seconds on my move just thinking, but all of a sudden I've disconnect and chess.com decides they hate me.
Here's the game today that has frustrated me: https://www.chess.com/game/live/165068671472
And as a final statement, chess.com should remove their completely ridiculous, unfair auto-"abandon" system because there is no reason to have it and all you're doing is upsetting those who put work into this game (and to fix their internet). And personally, I don't care if this never happens, because I know I've said what needed to be said and I can always go to lichess who has constantly proven themselves to be better, and quite frankly, I'm only still here for a few users.