Chess.com should have a 0 tolerance policy for public cheating accusations

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But how can he be trolling if he has 2500 rating points?

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Let's not burn the house down while lighting a candle. Others, like Neomi and Wesley are advocating a measured response, I agree with them. And Chompy, here being Chompy---- Need we even say it?

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You’re somehow using danya’s death to still attention seek? That’s low, man, even for you.

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rgouh wrote:

Just because something has the potential to be misused doesn't mean it should be banned. Nobody would have caught Niemann, Tigran Petrosian, DrLupo, ect. if accusing someone of cheating was banned. Even Kramnik has been accused of cheating in the past. (see this, it's actually kinda funny: https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-players/kramnik-suspicious-trips-to-the-bathroom)

Niemann was caught by chess.com for online cheating as a kid, wasn't he? Accusing him years later for OTB cheating without any proof just started the cancel Hans campaign.

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WesleySoANDSethuraman wrote:
💔 3. Why People Do This
It usually isn’t malicious. It’s a grief-driven shortcut:
people want action that feels like honoring someone, so they connect unrelated issues to give the emotion a concrete outlet.
The intention is moral; the reasoning is flawed.

In this case probably more trolling.

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rgouh wrote:

Just because something has the potential to be misused doesn't mean it should be banned. Nobody would have caught Niemann, Tigran Petrosian, DrLupo, ect. if accusing someone of cheating was banned. Even Kramnik has been accused of cheating in the past. (see this, it's actually kinda funny: https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-players/kramnik-suspicious-trips-to-the-bathroom)

The only sort of accusation which is relevant to catching cheaters on chess.com is REPORTING A SUSPICION OF CHEATING TO CHESS.COM. It is also the only sort of accusation that complies with the site rules.

While the chess.com systems have improved and catch a lot of people, there is the possibility of spotting suspicious behaviour that is not automatically identified.

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While I agree to some extent, some things need to be clear:

1. I don't think this should apply to off-site, as off-site social media admins have jobs to uphold, and chess.com cannot scan everything that happens off-site.

2. I feel this should be punished with a mute, not a ban, however, that depends on the severity. If Kramnik had made his accusations on chess.com, for instance, he should've been banned.

3. What Kramnik did was very wrong, but I feel like other people, most notably people new to chess who have no idea what they're talking about, shouldn't be punished at the same level as a GM who is clearly paranoid and possibly caused another GM's suicide, and who was known to cause another GM suicidal thoughts.

4. While I do agree with #JusticeforDanya, I feel like chess.com should seriously start locking threads about the subject that have gone too far, such as certain threads I've seen that have turned into nothing but heated arguments and personal insults.

5. While this is mostly centered around Danya's death, a popular topic on the forums right now, I'm afraid it may be locked due to the rule against discussing cheating.

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Jenium has a smashing good profile photo. That is one dapper fellow.

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Account closure is a bit overkill. Banning works, but if someone falsely accuses someone because of cheating for omce, they get banned immediately? Surely there are others ways to do it, besides that.

Also trying to use Danya's death to back this up? That's a new level of low for you and use appeal to pity fallacy. Like seriously? First banning below 1000 elo players on forums, and now using someone's death to back up your claim? You are horrible and you should just stick to calling "chess is rigged" and "1000 elo players should not be in forums".

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Seems a bit ironic given this post comes from Chomper and honchy supporting him on this matter....

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Honchkrowabcd wrote:

But how can he be trolling if he has 2500 rating points?

That's not how it works

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PlayerIDC wrote:

Account closure is a bit overkill. Banning works, but if someone falsely accuses someone because of cheating for omce, they get banned immediately? Surely there are others ways to do it, besides that.

Also trying to use Danya's death to back this up? That's a new level of low for you and use appeal to pity fallacy. Like seriously? First banning below 1000 elo players on forums, and now using someone's death to back up your claim? You are horrible and you should just stick to calling "chess is rigged" and "1000 elo players should not be in forums".

I'm 600 elo and know a lot of chess tactics, including pins, forks, deflections, skewers, fianchettos, backwards pawn, doubled pawns, how to get center, and so on and so forth.

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YattaThePinata wrote:

I'm 600 elo and know a lot of chess tactics, including pins, forks, deflections, skewers, fianchettos, backwards pawn, doubled pawns, how to get center, and so on and so forth.

I am above 600 a bit and dont know anything from this list

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how is he attention seeking

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stop accusing players cuz theyre good at chess

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I could explain.

A pin is when you use a piece to immobilize your opponent's piece against a piece of greater value, such as a bishop pinning a rook to a queen via a diagonal. If the rook were to move, you are able to take the queen. Pins can also be with kings, which means the piece is completely immobilized.

Forks are when you attack two pieces at once with the same piece, forcing advantage of material.

A deflection is when you make a move (often sacrificing a piece) to get rid of a key defender in your opponent's position.

A skewers is the opposite of a king pin. You attack the king and another piece on the same rank, file, or diagonal using a rook or bishop, when the king is the one in front, giving a check. This forces the king to step out of the way, gaining material as you take the other piece.

A fianchetto is when you develop your bishop in a certain way that it overlooks an extremely long diagonal. One of these such developments is Bg2.

A backwards pawn (as far as I know) is a pawn with no defenders that is behind everything that can be easily attacked.

Doubled pawns are two pawns on the same file, caused by capturing.

There are a variety of ways to win the center, but the fact that I know TO win the center is advanced enough.

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YattaThePinata wrote:

I could explain

Ok, maybe one day I learn it and become 600

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HangingPiecesChomper wrote:

Any public cheating accusation should lead to an instant account closure.

Otherwise they show that they don't really care about Daniel Naroditsky at all.

If they do, they don't really care about kramnik. Because everything is about these two. If you chomp on hanging pieces, you're bullying and you don't really care about Danya.

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HangingPiecesChomper wrote:

how am I a troll when I'm 2500 on this site?

How was Borislav ivanov an FM and labelled a cheat without conclusive proof? Just another mystery.

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sawdof wrote:
HangingPiecesChomper wrote:

Any public cheating accusation should lead to an instant account closure.

Otherwise they show that they don't really care about Daniel Naroditsky at all.

If they do, they don't really care about kramnik. Because everything is about these two. If you chomp on hanging pieces, you're bullying and you don't really care about Danya.

are you trolling? kramnik should be reprimanded for all his constant cyberbullying. and how is chomping on hanging pieces bullying?