dont tell my opponents im doing the tennison gambit the second i start it

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So this week I've been trying the tennison gambit and I think like only 2 of 9 games the player took the sacrificial pawn.  I suspect its because the move list tells them I am doing the tennison gambit as soon as I start it.  I think only 2 of 9 went for it because chess.com is tipping off my opponents.  Very lame.

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Lol!!

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Random_Carnage wrote:

Lol!!

What's so funny? I admit chess.com tipping off my opponents could have nothing to do with them not going for the gambit but at the low elo level I play at I suspect it did. Even all the openings chess.com announces that aren't gambits.. do we really need the referee as it were commenting on what we're up too and so potentially influencing the game??

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Because once you play any named opening the opponent either knows the lines or they don't.

Naming the opening makes precisely zero difference to that.

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ThoughtPaddler wrote:

So this week I've been trying the tennison gambit and I think like only 2 of 9 games the player took the sacrificial pawn. I suspect its because the move list tells them I am doing the tennison gambit as soon as I start it. I think only 2 of 9 went for it because chess.com is tipping off my opponents. Very lame.

well i mean yea in general ppl do debate a lot about this but in your case specifically (400s rapid) you shouldnt bother at all. it makes 0 difference in the lower rating ranges whether name is displayed or not. most of your opponents dont know opening theory or tennison gambit or whateevr so they js respond with what 'feels good' trust me it has nothing to do with trying to respond to your gambit. ppl js play random moves and hang pieces and no i am not tryna shame or anything hope you dont get it wrong, but at lower rating ranges gambits and all have zero meaning , at higher rating yes displaying the name might remind the opponent of any line they forgot , but at the lower ratings, definitely not.

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@ThoughtPaddler I entirely disagree. At our ratings (the lower bracket), players don’t have knowledge of those lines/how to avoid traps/how to counter. Moves are mostly made on instinct and with a few basic tips like ‘control the center’ or ‘protect the pieces’ so while you think that they’re declining your gambit, they’re honestly just playing what feels right and all.
But at higher ratings yeah, might have impact, I can’t comment on that as I don’t know about the higher rating bracket.

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I hear what you guys are saying about they aren't even going to know the specific gambits and specific lines. But the issue is not so much that it says tennison gambit the issue is that it says gambit at all.

Instead of my opponent assuming I've made a bad move and taking the free pawn the word "gambit" simultaneously popping onto the screen is going to alert them something is up and cause them to be safe and not take it.

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mann I get ur point but you're giving them wayyy too much credit genuinely dont worry about it at this stage, forget about looking at the side for gambit names they dont look properly at the board itself only. if your method relies solely on your opponent capturing that offered pawn (which clearly isnt happening much as you've given your stats) then it's not working well. 
also acc to that logic higher rated players would see the 'gambit' warning and then deny it and play accordingly but uh thousands of ppl lose everyday despite using gambits so ._.

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It won't make any difference at higher rating levels either.

I'm max 1700, and the only time I really look at the named opening is to see if I'm right in one opening line transposing into another.

If you have an opening repertoire as both Black & White, then you should know what you are doing, especially if your responses limit the opponent's lines.

For instance, as Black I always play 3...f5!? against the Italian Game. So, we are in a Rousseau Gambit. I couldn't care less that White will be informed of that because they either know how to respond to it or they don't.

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Random_Carnage wrote:

It won't make any difference at higher rating levels either.

I'm max 1700, and the only time I really look at the named opening is to see if I'm right in one opening line transposing into another.

After you look at the named opening you'll have the knowledge if you were right or wrong regarding the opening and you'll be playing with that knowledge. Playing with that knowledge is a difference. You'll be playing confidently and quickly secure in the knowledge that the position is what you thought. Or, you'll spend time carefully scrutinizing the position because you know its not what you thought.

Having knowledge you wouldn't have otherwise had is a difference. My opponent suspecting I might be playing a gambit vs. knowing I've definitely played the first move of a gambit is a difference.

I'm not "worried" about it as somebody insinuated or claiming its a big factor or any factor in most games. But, you guys aren't going to convince me the referee informing my opponent I've just played the opening move of a gambit never factors into the decision of my opponent's next move.

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ThoughtPaddler wrote:

So this week I've been trying the tennison gambit and I think like only 2 of 9 games the player took the sacrificial pawn.  I suspect its because the move list tells them I am doing the tennison gambit as soon as I start it.  I think only 2 of 9 went for it because chess.com is tipping off my opponents.  Very lame.


Out of 250 million people on chess.com they decide to target you, clearly the universe hates you, sorry :(

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Ineffaceable wrote:

Out of 250 million people on chess.com they decide to target you, clearly the universe hates you, sorry :(

Out of 250 million people on chess.com I've met the @ss who can't comprehend the site feedback forum is for posting site feedback.

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ThoughtPaddler wrote:
Random_Carnage wrote:

It won't make any difference at higher rating levels either.

I'm max 1700, and the only time I really look at the named opening is to see if I'm right in one opening line transposing into another.

After you look at the named opening you'll have the knowledge if you were right or wrong regarding the opening and you'll be playing with that knowledge. Playing with that knowledge is a difference. You'll be playing confidently and quickly secure in the knowledge that the position is what you thought. Or, you'll spend time carefully scrutinizing the position because you know its not what you thought.

Having knowledge you wouldn't have otherwise had is a difference. My opponent suspecting I might be playing a gambit vs. knowing I've definitely played the first move of a gambit is a difference.

I'm not "worried" about it as somebody insinuated or claiming its a big factor or any factor in most games. But, you guys aren't going to convince me the referee informing my opponent I've just played the opening move of a gambit never factors into the decision of my opponent's next move.

That's all well & good, but everyone's in the same boat.

Say you face an unusual gambit opening, well you'll know for nexxt time what it's called.

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Random_Carnage wrote:
 

That's all well & good, but everyone's in the same boat.

Say you face an unusual gambit opening, well you'll know for nexxt time what it's called.

Yes, I actually like learning the names of some unusual openings and gambits and have looked them up after the game. Its actually nice to learn that.

But my suggestion for the site here in the site feedback forum would be, and I probably should have put this in my initial post...

Name the openings and gambits in the game review but not in real time while the game is being played.