It is outrageous. I'm glad you decided to bring this issue to the community. Chess.com is showing an obscure face and biased policy, people need to know this. Thanks, my brother.
Why so many divisive news articles lately?
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I know the gist of what you're talking about, but I think you should've posted some links as well for the sake of example.
KevinM1393 wrote:
I know the gist of what you're talking about, but I think you should've posted some links as well for the sake of example.
There you go Kevin. See what chess.com is capable of and its biased morality.
KevinM1393 wrote:
I know the gist of what you're talking about, but I think you should've posted some links as well for the sake of example.
Here you go:
They closed the comments, let's talk about it here. - Chess Forums - Chess.com
I could think that it is just an echo of current massmedia agenda and that journalists are writing about things they're watching on massmedia and in the way massmedia is showing these things to them, but one topic I have read recently doesn't look like just an echo. I mean this one "We have remained silent for too long" women chess players publish open letter denouncing sexist behavior in chess It is contained a phrase in its subtitle:
Warning: This article mentions instances of sexual abuse that may be triggering for readers.
which is lie because the topic doesn't contain any triggering things. It looks like a hidden advertisement used to attract extra attention to the topic, a dirty PR method. Well, chess is the most popular game in the world, the "Queen's gambit" serial attracted alot of public attention recently, so, maybe some propaganda makers desided to use a most popular chess site in the world for the propaganda spreading.
my_good_will wrote:
I could think that it is just an echo of current massmedia agenda and that journalists are writing about things they're watching on massmedia and in the way massmedia is showing these things to them, but one topic I have read recently doesn't look like just an echo. I mean this one "We have remained silent for too long" women chess players publish open letter denouncing sexist behavior in chess It is contained a phrase in its subtitle:
Warning: This article mentions instances of sexual abuse that may be triggering for readers.
which is lie because the topic doesn't contain any triggering things. It looks like a hidden advertisement used to attract extra attention to the topic, a dirty PR method. Well, chess is the most popular game in the world, the "Queen's gambit" serial attracted alot of public attention recently, so, maybe some propaganda makers desided to use a most popular chess site in the world for the propaganda spreading.
Интересная теория. В любом случае, что они делают отвратительно.
Мое почтение России-матушке, товарищ.
I also repeatably noticed unfair and biased agenda published on chess com. Bias is clearly visible not just from content of articles, but also from the way, how it and reactions to it are treated. For example, there are many political and unobjective articles officially published on this server. Then some people talk about it and make fair objections to it. And then those fair objections are being marginalized by multiple ways.
1) Deleting comments, that did not break any rules is just one of them. For example, I pointed out manipulative techniques used by Yosha Iglesias, staff of chess com https://www.chess.com/member/yosha_iglesias in article https://www.chess.com/news/view/fide-publishes-controversial-new-transgender-policy
"The new regulations will make trans chess players all over the world face a horrible dilemma: transition or quit chess. This appalling situation will lead to depression and suicide attempts."
That statement contains manipulative techniuqe "false dilemma" and also falsely presents speculation or an opinion as a fact. It borders also with manipulative technique "slippery slope". I pointed that out in very formal language and it has been deleted. I politely asked why it has been deleted and my question was deleted.
2) There are constantly pushed political articles, that in my opinion do not belong to chess server. Then there are sometimes disabled comments under them like for example in case of https://www.chess.com/news/view/fide-publishes-controversial-new-transgender-policy Since they are disabled beforehad, authors of articles probably are clearly aware how unobjective article is and they want to prevent fair feedback at all. This is the main point of this feedback. It appears, that strongly divisive article is published on purpose and with highly probably awareness that it indeed is divisive, thus comments are disabled beforehand.
3) Also when somebody makes a forum topic for theme, that has disabled comments, like it happened in case of https://www.chess.com/forum/view/off-topic/they-closed-the-comments-lets-talk-about-it-here-92643623 there is yet another unfair treatment. It is pushed into off-topic. If that topic is off-topic for a chess server, it appears to me, that naturally, article, that it relates to, is off-topic also. So I wonder why there are published off-topic articles at chess server in the first place. Or if those political articles are not off-topic, then comments related to those articles should not be off-topic either. This I consider to be clear sign of double standards and unfair treatment.
I would like to also point out, that this really is supposed to be a chess server and so it should have mainly chess related articles. But what I see, there appears to me, that majority of articles are not really chess related. From my point of view, you have only one real chess dedicated writer, Gserper. He writes fantastic chess content. Then there are way toooo many meme runners and popularizators, who are barely scratching topic of chess for wide public and then there are two political writers (Tarjei and Doggers), who focus 99% of their articles on politics and that is not related to chess at all, its only connection to chess is, that somebody mentioned in article plays chess, but has no chess content at all.
I would expect from chess server to have 75% of writers like Mr. Serper and 0 writers like Mr. Svenson and Mr. Doggers. That way it would look like server is really aimed at chess. For now, it appears to me, that this server is clearly aimed at politics.
KevinM1393 wrote:
I know the gist of what you're talking about, but I think you should've posted some links as well for the sake of example.
Look at other comments and see links, but anything by @Tarjei and @PeterDoggers is divisive and one-sided political provocations imho
Oct 18, 2023
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Secretuse wrote:
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I would expect from chess server to have 75% of writers like Mr. Serper and 0 writers like Mr. Svenson and Mr. Doggers. That way it would look like server is really aimed at chess. For now, it appears to me, that this server is clearly aimed at politics.
Looking at the activity feed of @PeterDoggers, pretty much every article is about chess and all the recent articles by @TarjeiJS are related to chess, chess players, or chess organizations.
Martin_Stahl wrote:
Secretuse wrote:
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I would expect from chess server to have 75% of writers like Mr. Serper and 0 writers like Mr. Svenson and Mr. Doggers. That way it would look like server is really aimed at chess. For now, it appears to me, that this server is clearly aimed at politics.
Looking at the activity feed of @PeterDoggers, pretty much every article is about chess and all the recent articles by @TarjeiJS are related to chess, chess players, or chess organizations.
Did you read my original post?
Oct 18, 2023
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Coddiwompler wrote:
Martin_Stahl wrote:
Secretuse wrote:
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I would expect from chess server to have 75% of writers like Mr. Serper and 0 writers like Mr. Svenson and Mr. Doggers. That way it would look like server is really aimed at chess. For now, it appears to me, that this server is clearly aimed at politics.
Looking at the activity feed of @PeterDoggers, pretty much every article is about chess and all the recent articles by @TarjeiJS are related to chess, chess players, or chess organizations.
Did you read my original post?
I was specifically answering the post I quoted, in particular the excerpt.
Martin_Stahl wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
Martin_Stahl wrote:
Secretuse wrote:
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I would expect from chess server to have 75% of writers like Mr. Serper and 0 writers like Mr. Svenson and Mr. Doggers. That way it would look like server is really aimed at chess. For now, it appears to me, that this server is clearly aimed at politics.
Looking at the activity feed of @PeterDoggers, pretty much every article is about chess and all the recent articles by @TarjeiJS are related to chess, chess players, or chess organizations.
Did you read my original post?
I was specifically answering the post I quoted, in particular the excerpt.
That is not what I asked you about, can you please answer my question?
Oct 18, 2023
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I have no real answer for you. I don't read too many of the articles in general to have formed an opinion on whether or not your viewpoint of article slant from some authors does or does not align with the statements you posted.
Martin_Stahl wrote:
I have no real answer for you. I don't read too many of the articles in general to have formed an opinion on whether or not your viewpoint of article slant from some authors does or does not align with the statements you posted.
I would appreciate if you could forward my original post to the decision makers at chessdotcom.
Thank you in advance.
Martin_Stahl wrote:
Secretuse wrote:
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I would expect from chess server to have 75% of writers like Mr. Serper and 0 writers like Mr. Svenson and Mr. Doggers. That way it would look like server is really aimed at chess. For now, it appears to me, that this server is clearly aimed at politics.
Looking at the activity feed of @PeterDoggers, pretty much every article is about chess and all the recent articles by @TarjeiJS are related to chess, chess players, or chess organizations.
You clearly don't know how to read.
I disagree. There are many issues to do with the wider world of chess, like the role of women and how to make chess places more welcoming and safe for them. These issues need to be brought into the open.
Just because you, the OP, don't like such articles, it doesn't mean they shouldn't be there (although I agree with you that comments on them should not be blocked). There's no reason why everyone on this site should be constrained by your personal preferences and prejudices.
Oct 19, 2023
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Coddiwompler wrote:
"those articles"
"Publishing one-sided, politically charged news articles does that; it makes people angry"
"Publishing one-sided, politically charged news articles does that; it makes people angry"
What articles? I see your later comment with links to articles and previous discussion. But can you maybe update your OP with the information? You are confusing your readers by not including the important data and references in your OP.
Also curious to understand HOW do you figure those articles are one-sided or or politically charged? Is it always wrong to be "politically charged"? How is the political charge in the articles a bad thing? Think you should update your OP with your details to explain your allegations.
Coddiwompler wrote:
"I was told by your worker that I have no right to ask questions
Where and how exactly were you told it? Got the exact text? (no personal info).
DoktorFader wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
"those articles"
"Publishing one-sided, politically charged news articles does that; it makes people angry"
"Publishing one-sided, politically charged news articles does that; it makes people angry"
What articles? I see your later comment with links to articles and previous discussion. But can you maybe update your OP with the information? You are confusing your readers by not including the important data and references in your OP.
Also curious to understand HOW do you figure those articles are one-sided or or politically charged? Is it always wrong to be "politically charged"? How is the political charge in the articles a bad thing? Think you should update your OP with your details to explain your allegations.
Coddiwompler wrote:
"I was told by your worker that I have no right to ask questions
Where and how exactly were you told it? Got the exact text? (no personal info).
It's hard for someone with a Ukranian flag to understand the concept "politically biased" , I guess.
The reason I am asking is because those articles have nothing to do with the core mission of chessdotcom, let alone with chess improvement or enjoyment. I was told by your worker that I have no right to ask questions or demand anything from a privately-owned company.
Well, can you at least follow your own values?
Our Values
Chess.com tries to be more than a chess site. We strive to be a community where chess fans from around the world can feel safe and happy while they grow as chess players. Here's what we believe in:
Let me elaborate:
1. There is nothing kind in making people angry. There is a diverse community of chess players here on Chess.com, from every country, every ethnicity, culture, religion, etc. Publishing one-sided, politically charged news articles does that; it makes people angry. Then, to add insult to injury, you forbid members to debate on the topics of the articles. No matter how you spin it, it is not kind.
2. Learning about issues is important, but in order to do that, information must be factual, thorough, and balanced. When news articles are one-sided, biased, or untruthful, they do not promote thinking or learning; they promote ignorance and division.
3. If you are honest, you will admit that there were 0% of "fun, smiles, laughter...enjoyable experiences for everyone" in the comments section below one-sided, politically charged news articles published in the last several months, to the point that you have shut down comments altogether.
Thank you for honest response in advance.