Computer Analysis proposes the same move, it considers to be a mistake

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CoolUnicycle

Please have a look at move 42 (black) on the following Computer Analysis: http://www.chess.com/home/computer_analysis?id=57954312&game_type=1. There move "f3" is stated to be a mistake, and at the same time, it is proposed as the best move. There must be something very fishy there.

notmtwain

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Apparently, we can't do this. You'd have to cut and paste the game score and analysis into the forum.

CoolUnicycle
Very well then: This is the link to the game http://www.chess.com/echess/game?id=57954312 (this should work - I've checked it). Following is the analysis as output by the Computer-Analysis tool with a strength of 2500 (it says). As already stated in the opening post, it marks move "42 Bd4 f3?" with a question mark and proposes in its alternative exactly the same move. 1. f4 c5 2. e3 Nc6 3. Nf3 g6?! ( 3... Nf6 4. Bb5 e6 5. O-O Be7 6. Nc3 O-O 7. Ne5 Qc7 8. d4 a6 9. Nxc6 dxc6 10. Be2 Bd7 ) ( 3... g6 4. Be2 Nf6 5. O-O Bg7 6. c4 O-O 7. Nc3 d5 8. cxd5 Nxd5 ) 4. d4 b6? ( 4... cxd4 5. exd4 Nf6 6. Nc3 Bg7 7. Bb5 a6 8. Bxc6 dxc6 9. O-O O-O 10. Ne5 Be6 11. Be3 ) ( 4... b6 5. d5 Na5 6. Be2 Bg7 7. O-O Nf6 8. Nc3 d6 9. e4 O-O 10. Bd2 e6 11. dxe6 Bxe6 12. Ng5 ) 5. c3 e6?! ( 5... Nf6 6. d5 Na5 7. Be2 Bg7 8. O-O O-O 9. c4 Ba6 10. Qc2 d6 11. e4 Qc7 12. Rd1 ) ( 5... e6 6. Bd3 Bb7 7. O-O d5 8. Nbd2 c4 9. Be2 Nf6 10. Ne5 Qc7 11. e4 Nxe4 ) 6. Bd3 Bb7?! ( 6... Bg7 7. O-O Nge7 8. dxc5 bxc5 9. e4 d5 10. Be3 c4 11. Bc2 O-O 12. Na3 Rb8 13. Qc1 Ba6 14. Rd1 Qa5 15. Ng5 Rfd8 16. Rd2 ) ( 6... Bb7 7. O-O d5 8. Nbd2 Nf6 9. Ne5 Qc7 10. Bb5 a6 11. Be2 O-O-O 12. Nxc6 Qxc6 ) 7. O-O f5?! ( 7... d5 8. Nbd2 Nge7 9. Qa4 Bg7 10. Qa3 cxd4 11. exd4 O-O 12. Ne5 Nf5 13. Ndf3 ) ( 7... f5 8. c4 Nf6 9. Nc3 Be7 10. d5 exd5 11. Nxd5 O-O 12. Bd2 Nxd5 13. cxd5 ) 8. Ne5 Nh6?! ( 8... Bg7 9. Nd2 Nge7 10. Ndf3 O-O 11. Nxc6 Bxc6 12. Qc2 Nd5 13. Bd2 d6 14. c4 Nb4 15. Bxb4 cxb4 ) ( 8... Nh6 9. Nd2 Be7 10. Ndf3 Nxe5 11. fxe5 O-O 12. Bd2 Nf7 13. Qb3 Qc7 14. Qa4 ) 9. Nd2 d6 10. Nec4 Ba6?? ( 10... Be7 11. Nf3 O-O 12. Be2 b5 13. Qb3 Ba6 14. Nce5 Nxe5 15. fxe5 c4 16. Qd1 Nf7 17. exd6 Nxd6 18. d5 ) ( 10... Ba6 11. Nxd6+ Bxd6 12. Bxa6 Qd7 13. Nc4 Nf7 14. Bb5 cxd4 15. Qa4 Rc8 16. exd4 O-O ) 11. Qe2?? ( 11. Nxd6+ Bxd6 12. Bxa6 Qd7 13. Nf3 cxd4 14. exd4 O-O 15. Ne5 Bxe5 16. fxe5 Nf7 17. Be3 g5 18. g3 g4 19. Qb3 ) ( 11. Qe2 b5 12. Qf3 Kd7 13. Na3 c4 14. Be2 d5 15. Qh3 b4 16. Nab1 Qa5 ) 11... d5?! ( 11... b5 12. Qf3 Kd7 13. Na3 c4 14. Be2 d5 15. Qh3 b4 16. Nab1 Qa5 ) ( 11... d5 12. Nd6+ Bxd6 13. Bxa6 Qd7 14. Nf3 O-O 15. Ne5 Bxe5 16. fxe5 Kg7 17. Bd2 Ng4 18. h3 Nh6 ) 12. Nd6+ Qxd6?! ( 12... Bxd6 13. Bxa6 Qd7 14. Nf3 O-O 15. b3 Ng4 16. Bb5 Rae8 17. Bb2 Nf6 18. Ng5 cxd4 19. cxd4 ) ( 12... Qxd6 13. Bxa6 Rb8 14. Nf3 Bg7 15. Bd2 O-O 16. Bb5 Qd7 17. Qd1 Bf6 18. Qa4 ) 13. Bxa6 c4? ( 13... Qc7 14. dxc5 bxc5 15. Qb5 Rb8 16. Qa4 Be7 17. Bb5 Rc8 18. Nf3 O-O 19. Bd2 Ng4 20. h3 Nf6 ) ( 13... c4 14. Nf3 Be7 15. Ne5 O-O 16. Bb7 Rac8 17. Bxc8 Rxc8 18. Bd2 Qc7 19. b3 Nxe5 20. fxe5 Nf7 21. g4 Ng5 22. gxf5 gxf5 ) 14. Bb5? ( 14. Nf3 Qc7 15. b3 cxb3 16. axb3 Bd6 17. c4 O-O 18. cxd5 exd5 19. Bd2 Qe7 20. Qb5 Nb4 21. Ne5 Rfd8 22. Nc6 Nxc6 23. Qxd5+ ) ( 14. Bb5 a6 15. Ba4 Be7 16. Nf3 O-O 17. Bc2 Qc7 18. b3 b5 19. Bd2 Nf7 20. bxc4 ) 14... Be7?! ( 14... a6 15. Ba4 Be7 16. Nf3 O-O 17. Bc2 Qc7 18. b3 b5 19. Bd2 Ng4 20. h3 Nf6 ) ( 14... Be7 15. b3 a6 16. Ba3 Qc7 17. Bxc6+ Qxc6 18. Bxe7 Kxe7 19. bxc4 Ng4 20. h3 Nf6 21. cxd5 exd5 22. c4 ) 15. Bxc6+? ( 15. b3 a6 16. Ba3 Qc7 17. Bxc6+ Qxc6 18. Bxe7 Kxe7 19. bxc4 Ng4 20. h3 Nf6 21. cxd5 exd5 22. c4 Rhc8 23. Rac1 Qe6 24. cxd5 Nxd5 25. Nc4 Qe4 26. Qf2 ) ( 15. Bxc6+ Qxc6 16. Nf3 Nf7 17. b3 O-O 18. Bb2 Rfc8 19. g3 Kg7 20. Kg2 h6 21. h3 a6 ) 15... Qxc6 16. Qf3 Ng4 17. h3 Nf6 18. Rf2 Ne4?! ( 18... Qa4 19. Qe2 Kf7 20. g4 h6 21. Rg2 Bd6 22. Nf3 Rag8 23. a3 fxg4 24. hxg4 Ne4 25. Nd2 Nxd2 26. Bxd2 Qc2 27. Be1 ) ( 18... Ne4 19. Nxe4 fxe4 20. Qd1 Bh4 21. Rf1 h5 22. Bd2 Kf7 23. Kh2 Bf6 24. g3 ) 19. Nxe4 dxe4 20. Qe2 a5 21. a3 a4 22. Bd2 Kd7 23. Raf1? ( 23. Be1 Qb5 24. Rf1 h6 25. Bf2 g5 26. Bg3 Bd6 27. Qh5 Qxb2 28. Qf7+ Kc6 29. Rad1 Qxc3 30. d5+ Kc5 ) ( 23. Raf1 Bh4 24. g3 Bxg3 25. Rg2 Bh4 26. Be1 Bf6 27. Bg3 Rhc8 28. Qe1 Qd6 29. Qd1 b5 30. Qe1 Be7 ) 23... Bh4 24. Kh2? ( 24. g3 Bxg3 25. Rg2 Bh4 26. Be1 Bf6 27. Bg3 Rhc8 28. Qe1 Qd6 29. Bh4 Bxh4 30. Qxh4 Qe7 31. Qh6 ) ( 24. Kh2 Bxf2 25. Qxf2 Qb5 26. Be1 h5 27. g3 Ke7 28. Qe2 Kf7 29. Kg2 Qc6 30. Bf2 ) 24... Bxf2 25. Rxf2 h5 26. Rf1 Kd6?! ( 26... h4 27. Rg1 Rag8 28. g3 hxg3+ 29. Rxg3 Qb5 30. Be1 Ke7 31. Rg1 Kf7 32. Bf2 Rh6 33. h4 ) ( 26... Kd6 27. g3 Ke7 28. Kg2 b5 29. Be1 Kf7 30. Bf2 Qc7 31. Rg1 Rad8 ) 27. Rd1 h4 28. Be1 Rh6?! ( 28... Qc7 29. Qf2 Ke7 30. Kg1 Rad8 31. Qd2 Kf7 32. Bf2 Qe7 33. Rc1 b5 34. Rf1 ) ( 28... Rh6 29. Bf2 Rh7 30. Qe1 Rah8 31. Kg1 Qd7 32. Kf1 Qb5 33. Qe2 Kc7 34. Qc2 ) 29. Qd2 Rg8 30. Bf2 g5 31. fxg5 Rxg5 32. Qe1? ( 32. Qe2 Rg8 33. Rg1 Kd7 34. g4 hxg3+ 35. Bxg3 Rh7 36. Rg2 Rhg7 37. Qf1 Ke8 38. h4 ) ( 32. Qe1 Rhg6 33. Kh1 Rxg2 34. Qe2 R6g5 35. Qf1 Qb5 36. Rb1 Rg8 37. Bxh4 Rxb2 ) 32... Rgh5? ( 32... Rhg6 33. Qf1 Qb5 34. Rd2 Rxg2+ 35. Qxg2 Rxg2+ 36. Kxg2 f4 37. exf4 Qf5 38. Rd1 Qxf4 39. Re1 Kd5 40. Kg1 Qg5+ ) ( 32... Rgh5 33. Qe2 Rh8 34. Kg1 Rg5 35. Rd2 b5 36. Qe1 Rgh5 37. Rd1 R5h7 38. Kf1 ) 33. Rd2 Qc7?! ( 33... Rh7 34. Kh1 Kc7 35. Bg1 Kb7 36. Bh2 Rg5 37. Be5 Rg8 38. Qf1 Qb5 39. Kg1 Rd8 40. Bf6 ) ( 33... Qc7 34. Kh1 b5 35. Bg1 Ke7 36. Bh2 Qd7 37. Be5 Rg6 38. Kg1 Kf7 39. Qf1 Rh7 40. Qf4 ) 34. Kg1 Qd8 35. Qd1 b5 36. Qe1 Qg5 37. Qd1? ( 37. Kh1 Rg6 38. Bg1 Kc6 39. Bh2 Rh8 40. Be5 Rhg8 41. Bf4 Qe7 42. Qf1 Kb6 43. Be5 Kb7 44. Bf4 Rd8 ) ( 37. Qd1 Rg6 38. Qf1 f4 39. exf4 Qxf4 40. Qe1 Qf3 41. Be3 Rf5 42. Kh1 Qf1+ 43. Qxf1 Rxf1+ 44. Kh2 Kd5 45. Bf2 Rh6 ) 37... Rh7? ( 37... Rg6 38. Qf1 f4 39. exf4 Qxf4 40. Qe2 Qf3 41. Be3 Rf5 42. Kh2 Qxe2 43. Rxe2 Kd5 44. Bf2 Rf4 45. Be3 Rf1 46. Bf2 Rh6 47. Be3 ) ( 37... Rh7 38. Kh1 Kc6 39. Bg1 Rd7 40. Re2 Kb7 41. Bh2 Rd8 42. Bf4 Qg7 43. Qf1 Qg6 ) 38. d5 e5 39. Qe1? ( 39. Kh1 R5h6 40. Qe2 Rc7 41. Rd1 Rc5 42. Qd2 Qg8 43. Qe1 Rxd5 44. Bxh4 Rxd1 45. Qxd1+ Ke6 46. Qe1 Rh8 47. g3 Qg7 ) ( 39. Qe1 Rg7 40. Qf1 Rh6 41. Kh1 Rc7 42. Qe2 Rc5 43. Qd1 Qh5 44. Qc1 Rh7 45. Rd1 Qf7 46. Qc2 Rxd5 47. Rc1 Qg6 48. Qe2 ) 39... Rg7 40. Qf1 f4 41. exf4 exf4 *42. Bd4 f3?* ( 42... f3 43. Qf2 Qxg2+ 44. Qxg2 Rxg2+ 45. Rxg2 fxg2 46. Kxg2 Rg5+ 47. Kh2 Kxd5 48. Bf2 Rg6 49. Be3 ) ( 42... f3 43. Qf2 Qxg2+ 44. Qxg2 Rxg2+ 45. Rxg2 fxg2 46. Be3 Kxd5 47. Kxg2 Rf5 48. Bf2 Rf4 49. Be3 ) 43. Qf2 Rg8? ( 43... Qxd2 44. Bc5+ Kd7 45. Qxd2 Rxg2+ 46. Qxg2 fxg2 47. Bf2 Kd6 48. Kxg2 Rxd5 49. Bd4 Rg5+ 50. Kh2 Kd5 51. Bf2 Rg6 52. Be3 Kd6 53. Bf4+ Ke6 54. Bd2 Rg3 55. Bf4 Rf3 56. Bg5 Rf2+ 57. Kg1 Rxb2 58. Bxh4 Kd5 59. Kf1 ) ( 43... Rg8 44. Bc5+ Kd7 45. Qe3 Qxe3+ 46. Bxe3 Rf5 47. Kh2 Kd6 48. Rf2 Kxd5 49. Rd2+ Ke5 50. gxf3 exf3 51. Kh1 Ke4 52. Bf2 ) 44. Bc5+ Kd7 45. Be3?? ( 45. Qe3 Qxe3+ 46. Bxe3 Rf5 47. Kh2 Kd6 48. Rf2 Kxd5 49. Rd2+ Ke5 50. Rf2 Rg3 51. Bb6 Ke6 52. Bd4 ) ( 45. Be3 Qf5 46. Re2 Rxg2+ 47. Qxg2 fxg2 48. Rxg2 Qxh3 49. Bd4 Rxd5 50. Rg7+ Ke6 51. Rg6+ Kf5 52. Rg8 e3 53. Rf8+ Kg4 ) 45... Qf5 46. Qf1?? ( 46. Bg5 Rhxg5 47. Qa7+ Ke8 48. d6 Qd7 49. Qd4 Rxg2+ 50. Rxg2 Rxg2+ 51. Kf1 Qe6 52. Qh8+ Kd7 53. Qb8 Rxb2 54. Qa7+ Kxd6 55. Qb8+ Kc5 56. Qa7+ Qb6 57. Qe7+ Qd6 58. Qa7+ Kc6 59. Qa6+ Kd5 60. Qa8+ Ke5 61. Qh8+ Qf6 62. Qb8+ Kf5 63. Qc8+ ) ( 46. Qf1 Qxh3 47. g3 Qxf1+ 48. Kxf1 hxg3 49. Rg2 fxg2+ 50. Kxg2 Rh2+ 51. Kg1 Kd6 52. Bd4 Kxd5 53. Bb6 Rxb2 54. Be3 Ra2 ) 46... Qxh3 47. Rf2?? ( 47. b4 axb3 48. a4 Rxg2+ 49. Rxg2 Qxg2+ 50. Qxg2 fxg2 51. Bc1 h3 52. Kh2 bxa4 53. d6 Kxd6 54. Bb2 Kd5 55. Bc1 Rf5 56. Ba3 Rf1 57. Kxh3 g1=Q ) ( 47. Rf2 fxg2 48. Rxg2 Rxg2+ 49. Qxg2 Qxe3+ 50. Kh2 Rxd5 51. Qg4+ Kd6 52. Qg6+ Kc5 53. Qg2 Rd2 54. Qxd2 Qxd2+ 55. Kh3 Qxb2 56. Kxh4 ) 47... Qf5? ( 47... Rf5 48. Re2 fxg2 49. Qxf5+ Qxf5 50. Rf2 Qh3 51. Rf7+ Ke8 52. Re7+ Kxe7 53. Bg5+ Rxg5 54. d6+ Kd7 55. Kf2 g1=Q+ 56. Ke2 Qd3# ) ( 47... Qf5 48. Kh1 fxg2+ 49. Qxg2 Rxg2 50. Rxf5 Rxf5 51. Kxg2 Kd6 52. Kh2 Kxd5 53. Kg2 Rf3 54. Bh6 h3+ 55. Kh2 e3 56. Bg5 e2 57. Bd2 Rf1 58. Kxh3 ) 48. Kh2 Qe5+? ( 48... Rg3 49. Rd2 fxg2 50. Qxf5+ Rxf5 51. Bd4 e3 52. Bxe3 Rxe3 53. Kxg2 Rg3+ 54. Kh2 Kd6 55. Re2 Rxd5 56. Kh1 Rgd3 57. Kh2 b4 58. cxb4 Rd2 59. Rxd2 ) ( 48... Qe5+ 49. Kh1 Rg3 50. Qc1 fxg2+ 51. Rxg2 Rxg2 52. Kxg2 Rf5 53. Qe1 Rf3 54. Qxh4 Rxe3 55. Qh7+ Kc8 56. Qg8+ Kb7 57. Qg6 Qxd5 58. Qg7+ Ka8 59. Qf8+ Ka7 60. Qg7+ Qb7 61. Qd4+ Qb6 ) 49. Kh1 Rg3? ( 49... h3 50. gxh3 Qf5 51. Rh2 Rg2 52. h4 Rxh2+ 53. Kxh2 Rxh4+ 54. Kg3 Qh5 55. Bg1 f2 56. Kxf2 Rf4+ 57. Ke1 Rxf1+ 58. Kxf1 Qd1+ 59. Kg2 Qf3+ 60. Kh2 ) ( 49... Rg3 50. d6 Rf5 51. Qe1 fxg2+ 52. Rxg2 Rxg2 53. Kxg2 Qxd6 54. Qxh4 Qg6+ 55. Qg3 Qxg3+ 56. Kxg3 Rf3+ 57. Kg4 Rxe3 58. Kf4 Re1 59. Ke5 e3 60. Ke4 ) 50. gxf3 exf3 51. Rd2?? ( 51. Bd4 Qf5 52. Ba7 Rhg5 53. Bb8 Rg2 54. Rxf3 Rg1+ 55. Kh2 Rxf1 56. Rxf5 Rgxf5 57. Kh3 Rg5 58. Bh2 Rxd5 59. Bb8 Rh1+ 60. Kg2 Rdd1 61. Kf3 h3 62. Kg4 Rd2 63. Bf4 Rxb2 ) ( 51. Rd2 Qxe3 52. Rf2 h3 53. Rh2 Qe4 54. Rf2 h2 55. b4 Rg1+ 56. Qxg1 hxg1=Q+ 57. Kxg1 Qe1+ 58. Rf1 Qg3# ) 51... Qxe3 ( 51... Qxe3 52. Rf2 h3 53. Rh2 Qe4 54. Rf2 h2 55. b4 Rg1+ 56. Qxg1 hxg1=Q+ 57. Kxg1 Qe1+ 58. Rf1 Qg3# )
neo-metacrash

If you had the PGN, you could convert it into a game, but for now, I am NOT reading that.

Scottrf

Yeah it's nonsense. It said for me 'Black has a decisive advantage' when white was a queen and couple of pawns up.

Popcorn179
SO MUCH TEXT!  CAN'T HOLD IT UP FOR MUCH LONGER!
Popcorn179

@Scottrf, I think I see you post something on every single thread on this website.

neo-metacrash
azziralc

Yes this is also happened with me. Computer says on my game that 22...fxg4 is a inaccuracy and proposes 22...fxg4 with a small variations and end up that Black has a decisive advantage.

I prefer not to post the link.

EricFleet

chess.com's chess engine is good but not the best. It is useful for convenience and true blunder checks, but if you want a real analysis by a computer, use Fritz or similar. Best is to analyze first without a computer.

I've had chess.com question a move of mine which lead to a mate in 6 or 7 (I got in in 11 or 12 in the game) in favor of a move which didn't lead to mate for another 20 moves or so. Also, chess.com nitpicks about fractions of a point difference in two moves when you are ahead by more than a Queen.

Bottom line is that you should not be surprised by odd analysis when you are using a computer shared by thousands of users. For a few bucks investment in an older version of Fritz, you can get a much better analysis offline.

azziralc

Chess.com computer is best when it comes to calculating tens of variation in just a single move.

It's just true enough that even though computer is best when it comes to calculations. They're still not good enough on explaining the details of each move.

azziralc

So I therefore conclude that when it comes to calculation, chess.com engine is better. 

Jamalov

I really appreciate the computer analysis tool and do use it a lot but it is true that if often calls a move an inaccuracy and proposes in its place the very same move. Here is an example analysis comment for my move 21... Nxd3: (-4.64) INACCURACY - Perhaps better was 21... Nxd3.