Concept of "Vacation" Time Makes NO SENSE and Needs to be Addressed

Orolo

The biggest, and most obvious point to make here, is if someone actually is on vacation, they would have EVEN MORE LEISURE TIME with which to give their daily chess games.

Effectively, Vacationing is just a badly named feature used when childish players find themselves in inferior positions, and then think of the Vacation button as an alternative move, merely delaying their demise. In tournaments especially this is considerably infuriating. They don't only waste the time of their (better) opponents, but the time of everyone else participating in the tournament.

How much noise do players have to make before management tell the devs to change it?

If players are really on vacation, they would be moving faster, not ignoring games. So, if you're not going to remove this "feature" at least rename it to "PAUSE GAME."

Though, "STOMP AWAY IN FRUSTRATION" would fit too.

IMBacon

handztyd is currently on vacation! 
They have 2½ months of vacation time left, but may be back sooner.

And when they come back from vacation, they will be out of vacation, and you will still get the win.

D2-D2
Chesscom should just do something like USCF does, have 30 days per year of vacation, which can be added by the CCTD

A another idea is to give players 2.5 days pre month.
D2-D2
Or, CCTDs can have a note in the description of tournament that players cannot use more then X days before being kick out.

The player would lose rating points (I think).
wanmokewan

You can report people for vacation abuse.

notmtwain

Does it really matter what it's called? I don't think so.

Right now, everyone gets two days per month.  Most people occasionally have other things that intrude on chess-playing time, whether they are work, family, medical or other issues.

Premium members can accumulate more unused vacation than basic members with platinum/ diamond able to store 90 days total or 45 months of accumulated vacation while basic can only accumulate 30 days.

Few players take extended breaks. I doubt whether most Platinum or diamond members would really care if their vacation accumulation were limited to 30 or 45 days. That has always seemed like a largely valueless benefit of premium membership. What is actually of use is the automatic start of vacation for premium members.

It seems like such long breaks only occur when somebody is stalling ( or passes on.) Maybe there should be some limit set on how much can be used in one stretch without a log-in.

 

 

IMBacon
Orolo wrote:

The biggest, and most obvious point to make here, is if someone actually is on vacation, they would have EVEN MORE LEISURE TIME with which to give their daily chess games.

 

Effectively, Vacationing is just a badly named feature used when childish players find themselves in inferior positions, and then think of the Vacation button as an alternative move, merely delaying their demise. In tournaments especially this is considerably infuriating. They don't only waste the time of their (better) opponents, but the time of everyone else participating in the tournament.

 

How much noise do players have to make before management tell the devs to change it?

 

If players are really on vacation, they would be moving faster, not ignoring games. So, if you're not going to remove this "feature" at least rename it to "PAUSE GAME."

 

Though, "STOMP AWAY IN FRUSTRATION" would fit too.

You logged in today.  What took more time?  You writing this, or checking to see if you have to make a move, or not?

Orolo
IMBacon wrote:

You logged in today.  What took more time?  You writing this, or checking to see if you have to make a move, or not?

Obviously I'm living my normal life outside of Chess.com games. And yes, I'm taking time to write these messages. But this is a strawman, you're just deflecting. The point here is the total time it takes to complete games, and mainly tournaments. It's strange that one person, or a small number of people can extend the time it takes to progress a tournament to the next stage by a ridiculous margin.

 

"That's the way it is" arguments are as dissatisfying as refusing to move. I'm arguing "the way it is" is bad.

IMBacon
Orolo wrote:
IMBacon wrote:

You logged in today.  What took more time?  You writing this, or checking to see if you have to make a move, or not?

Obviously I'm living my normal life outside of Chess.com games. And yes, I'm taking time to write these messages. But this is a strawman, you're just deflecting. The point here is the total time it takes to complete games, and mainly tournaments. It's strange that one person, or a small number of people can extend the time it takes to progress a tournament to the next stage by a ridiculous margin.

 

"That's the way it is" arguments are as dissatisfying as refusing to move. I'm arguing "the way it is" is bad.

Patience is a virtue...

Orolo

Either way, I'm mostly new here, and I'll be dismissed as just another impatient player. I'm sure many have pointed this out in the past. Maybe a day will come when I'm glad to be able to make my own delays-of-game.

D2-D2
Just play “No vacation” tournaments.
ANOK1

well said notmtwain , vacation allows for comp breakdown repair without the clock ending what may be a cracking game as we all know life gets in the way of chess

jmwinrider

Orolo... While I sympathizes with your frustration to some degree.  I don't share your point of view.  I've been playing online chess now for 8 year (mostly on another site).  I recently started playing here as well.  In that time I've never had a time out and hopefully never will.  I generally play fast.  In all that time I've used vacation time maybe twice.  I've used it in cases where I was afraid I might be unable to play for a day or two due to travel.  I feel its is a good component of this medium.    Now...  I realize there are people who abuse the tool just as there are people who cheat.  I accept that as a fact of this form of chess.  If I find someones play objectionable, I resign and then block them.  I don't think eliminating vacation time is the answer to anything, perhaps it should be more limited but I still see it as a useful part of daily chess.

Postafi

Several problems with "Vacation" feature:

1/ chess.com misleads members into believing they are going to play a set number of days per move. Site does not state your daily game may in fact be 90 days longer.

2/ chess.com refuses to introduce a disable option in Daily Chess settings.

3/ Since "vacation" kicks in automatically when a premium member's time is up in a daily game, member is blissfully unaware how rude he is to the opponent and other tournament participants. Merrily blitzes away while on "vacation".

4/ Whilst it is true that "No Vacation" tournaments exist (courtesy of the organisers) you have to actively seek them out, scrolling for ages.

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5/ The reason why chess.com is against individual "No Vacation" daily chess games is not clear.

jmwinrider

Postafi.. you make some good points.  On my other site the user has to explicitly set their vacation flag on.  I don't think having the site auto enable this feature is a good way to do it at all. Your point number one I can't really buy into.  Its not a difficult thing to figure out.

Postafi

Careful about making comparisons with other sites. You're not in Kansas anymore.

Reepicheep14

What if you're camping in the middle of nowhere without internet?

Postafi

https://www.hughes.com/who-we-are/resources/channels-newsletter/summer-2010/bringing-high-speed-internet-to-amazonas

jmwinrider

I had forgotten what a waste of time it was to communicate like this.  Thanks for reminding me.

LawAndOrderKeeng

Rules are Rules. (RAR)