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venue · 2016-10-02T04:13:54-07:00

The new version is very slow. What about you?

Martin_Stahl

Dec 23, 2016

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#2541

thewoefulking wrote:

Check my screenshots from v2 and there is a lot less white space percentage

Yes on the home screen, it is more. Though most of that is because the page is longer than it is on v2. From a horizontal standpoint, you are looking at about 10% more whitespace, ignoring the ability to theme that part (outside the chrome extension). It is almost exactly the same for messages and if I checked, probably many of the other pages since they share the design/layout.

Here is mine (from a horizontal view).

There is less than 100 px of difference in width, with some of that being background.

gambit-man

Dec 23, 2016

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#2542

Martin_Stahl wrote:

gambit-man wrote:

I'm hoping a fix for the pgns will be amongst the first...

In v2, downloaded games that were played in thematics contained all the moves with a statement therein saying "thematic game, this is the starting position".

In v3, the moves before the starting position are omitted, leading to database software classifying them similar to C960 with a "P" for a non-standard starting position.

Chessbase can't classify the games as they should be, and i understand from others that their software can't run them at all...

2 months since this issue was brought to staff attention i would have thought it'd be fixed by now

That is probably due to how thematics are defined now. My guess is that they are just pushed through with the FEN position, which doesn't care about the starting move order. As long as the export includes the starting FEN, under the correct tag, I would think most software should load them.

I know you really are trying to help wherever you can Martin, but if you're telling me this backwards step is just the way it's gonna be from now on, it would seem that's an admission that we should just get used to the inferior product...

My Chessbase can open, store, play through, analyse etc just the same, but it cannot classify the games. They don't get ECO codes, and don't show up in opening searches. They will also corrupt any larger, good quality databases they are added to...

I know of at least one other user (a staff member, no less) whose software cannot handle them at all

gambit-man

Dec 23, 2016

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#2543

Martin_Stahl wrote:

gambit-man wrote:

then it's likely to be the font...

Font sizes should be the same (if the poster doesn't change it). It looks like the default on both is 14 pixels, though in some places it is defined as 1.4rem (which is 14 px). I'm not finding a font-type definition, so I'm not sure on that one. Line height is the same.

There is a difference in font color. v3 is #26211b and v2 is #222222

the fonts in my V2 and V3 are definitely not the same...

Spacebux

Dec 23, 2016

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#2544

Martin_Stahl wrote:

I'm not sure I can see it. I'm looking at both versions, side-by-side. The percentage of white space on both is very similar. Without doing screenshots and measurements, I won't say there isn't a difference but there isn't a drastic one.

What is different is that the default background in v3 is darker than v2 and makes the white pop a lot more. I'm not seeing the background color in the CSS, on either version (for this forum page white-space), so it looks to me like that isn't defined on either side and should be the same.

"I'm not sure I can see it", " I won't say there isn't a difference but there isn't a drastic one", "it looks like" ... there for you conclude it cannot be an issue???

Martin - your logic is weak. I've pointed this out in the past and you cast it aside like I was writing gobbledy-gook.

Several people, myself included, have been bringing up issues like these for over a year (~14 months) now. (Yes, I can show where I brought this up -- https://www.chess.com/groups/forumview/my-ideas--suggestions-for-v3-chesscom-in-general-improvement, point #6 in that forum post.) And, we're supposed to believe Erik and others when they mention that all this will be ready in a few months when V2 is cast aside into the relics of internet history? Sorry, my confidence in the team to get this all sorted by February/March 2017 is not high.

Martin_Stahl

Dec 23, 2016

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#2545

It has nothing to do with apologies or rose-colored glasses. Those are empirical, though not stringently calculated, comparisons. v3 has approximately 10% more white space, on the horizontal, in many pages, and less in the forums.

The actual white color is the exact same. There is a perception of additional brightness due to the contrast between the default background color, which is darker on v3. It is very possible that that contrast can cause more eyestrain in some people.

I am not discounting your issue with it or the issues some other people are having in a similar vein. But you can't claim I'm an apologist looking through rose-colored glasses when you paint with just as wide a brush saying there is no comparison; it comes down to the individual viewing it, whether there is more eyestrain or not.

Maybe there are some studies out there that state high contrast causes eyestrain. If so, using a more muted background color will likely mitigate that, though it may not be the case for everyone.

Bellerophontis

Dec 23, 2016

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#2546

Not only the 20 themes i have created have been destroyed with V3

but also my first blog is destroyed because pictures are not shown

https://www.chess.com/blog/Bellerophontis/parthenon-marbles-statues

and many forums I have created they are destroyed because the images are not viewable

https://www.chess.com/groups/forumview/cat-lovers-forum

https://www.chess.com/groups/forumview/bikers-forum

https://www.chess.com/groups/forumview/beautiful-places-around-the-world

and five more forums about history, humanity, jokes etc

V3 have destroyed all my creative efforts like a menace whirlwind

They tell me to send bug, i have sent a bug for one news they destroyed but I wonder if i have to send a bug report for each and everyone of all the forums, blogs, news etc

and I don't believe they will ever be fixed

It was a very sad feeling when I realised that all the things i have created all through these years were destroyed

Martin_Stahl

Dec 23, 2016

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#2547

gambit-man wrote:

I know you really are trying to help wherever you can Martin, but if you're telling me this backwards step is just the way it's gonna be from now on, it would seem that's an admission that we should just get used to the inferior product...

My Chessbase can open, store, play through, analyse etc just the same, but it cannot classify the games. They don't get ECO codes, and don't show up in opening searches. They will also corrupt any larger, good quality databases they are added to...

I know of at least one other user (a staff member, no less) whose software cannot handle them at all

I'm not saying that it can't be a problem. Just that when the games are created from a FEN, there isn't a previous move order associated with that in that case. Well, there is but the system doesn't see that.

I'm guessing the site is utilizing the FEN option for the set thematic games as well, instead of feeding it the move order, which would fix the problem in those cases. I'm also not saying that isn't something that could/should be fixed on v3, in the case of the thematic drop-downs.

Martin_Stahl

Dec 23, 2016

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#2548

gambit-man wrote:

Martin_Stahl wrote:

gambit-man wrote:

then it's likely to be the font...

Font sizes should be the same (if the poster doesn't change it). It looks like the default on both is 14 pixels, though in some places it is defined as 1.4rem (which is 14 px). I'm not finding a font-type definition, so I'm not sure on that one. Line height is the same.

There is a difference in font color. v3 is #26211b and v2 is #222222

the fonts in my V2 and V3 are definitely not the same...

Yeah, don't know if you saw my follow-up post but I found the font definitions. They very likely are different, depending on which font you actually get on v2 (probably Trebuchet MS which isn't used at all on v3).

Martin_Stahl

Dec 23, 2016

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#2549

Spacebux wrote:

Martin_Stahl wrote:

I'm not sure I can see it. I'm looking at both versions, side-by-side. The percentage of white space on both is very similar. Without doing screenshots and measurements, I won't say there isn't a difference but there isn't a drastic one.

What is different is that the default background in v3 is darker than v2 and makes the white pop a lot more. I'm not seeing the background color in the CSS, on either version (for this forum page white-space), so it looks to me like that isn't defined on either side and should be the same.

"I'm not sure I can see it", " I won't say there isn't a difference but there isn't a drastic one", "it looks like" ... there for you conclude it cannot be an issue???

Martin - your logic is weak. I've pointed this out in the past and you cast it aside like I was writing gobbledy-gook.

Several people, myself included, have been bringing up issues like these for over a year (~14 months) now. (Yes, I can show where I brought this up -- https://www.chess.com/groups/forumview/my-ideas--suggestions-for-v3-chesscom-in-general-improvement, point #6 in that forum post.) And, we're supposed to believe Erik and others when they mention that all this will be ready in a few months when V2 is cast aside into the relics of internet history? Sorry, my confidence in the team to get this all sorted by February/March 2017 is not high.

@Spacebux, read my follow-up posts. I had a little time to do some side-by-side comparisons and measurements. So I've shifted from guessing to not guessing on most of that

Also, just reading what I posted, in that post, it is obvious, that was not coming from a logic based discussion but from initial feel by looking at. Your premise of my logical ability is meaningless in regards to the quoted post.

So, ignore that or not, at your preference

Bellerophontis

Dec 23, 2016

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#2550

Martin are you spamming?

in the last 2 pages 13 comments belong to you

Spacebux

Dec 23, 2016

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#2551

My preference is to take you at your word, Martin. You made statements prior to those measurements.

That is the flaw in your logic and argument.

gambit-man

Dec 23, 2016

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#2552

v2 has a nice crisp font from any distance from the screen...

v3, from my usual distance from screen looks unclear, it's only with screwing my eyes or coming closer to the screen they appear clear... and that despite them actually being larger on the screen... i can read it, but it's harder work...

Martin_Stahl

Dec 23, 2016

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#2553

Spacebux wrote:

My preference is to take you at your word, Martin. You made statements prior to those measurements.

That is the flaw in your logic and argument.

Ah, so if someone is wrong and later fixes/updates that information, the original post is what you go by. Good to know. I'll try not to reply to you specifically anymore, after this one, since that's the way you prefer to operate.

I understand now.

Martin_Stahl

Dec 23, 2016

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#2554

Bellerophontis wrote:

Martin are you spamming?

in the last 2 pages 13 comments belong to you

Answering questions and posting on-topic isn't spamming, so no. It is also easier to include direct replies rather than try to include responses to different questions in the same post, unless they are quick replies.

Martin_Stahl

Dec 23, 2016

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#2555

@gambit-man, I'm not a font guy. I see they are different but subjectively they don't look drastically different.

Do you have the default background? Maybe the contrast between the background, the white space, and the font color in combination does it (v2 font color is slightly different). Though, I guess the font could be at play too.

edit: in looking at it more it looks like the default v3 font has a little less space between letters than the default v2 font. Could easily be a factor for you.

Spacebux

Dec 23, 2016

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#2556

Martin_Stahl wrote:

Spacebux wrote:

My preference is to take you at your word, Martin. You made statements prior to those measurements.

That is the flaw in your logic and argument.

Ah, so if someone is wrong and later fixes/updates that information, the original post is what you go by. Good to know. I'll try not to reply to you specifically anymore, after this one, since that's the way you prefer to operate.

I understand now.

Your initial reaction to any charge of V3 is to Defend V3, whether you have facts or not. Its immaterial to you and its visible in your posts. That is the flaw I am referring to. I understand you are flustered; trying to defend everything about V3 is a huge task. And, I'm not sure why you take it upon yourself to do OR whether you have been instructed to do.

I think maybe you should let some of the other STAFF-staff come back with some answers. Don't try to defend every anti-V3 post---its not necessary.

gambit-man

Dec 23, 2016

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#2557

Martin_Stahl wrote:

@gambit-man, I'm not a font guy. I see they are different but subjectively they don't look drastically different.

Do you have the default background? Maybe the contrast between the background, the white space, and the font color in combination does it (v2 font color is slightly different). Though, I guess the font could be at play too.

edit: in looking at it more it looks like the default v3 font has a little less space between letters than the default v2 font. Could easily be a factor for you.

My wallpaper background is a small tile of my tartan, just like my avatar... in v2 it is tiled about 140 times across my 19" screen, in v3 it's just a single tile across the whole screen. As unpleasant as that is, i don't believe that is the cause, as i view #2851 now in v2, i still get the same effect when looking at the v3 screenshot as i do in v3...

nimzomalaysian

Dec 23, 2016

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#2558

GeneralChang wrote:

I like how you have help everyone with certain issues V3 man (martin), tell me how to remove the usless box labled new game on the right. There already is a play button on the top left. How can I reduce the size of the unnessary boxes on the right? Or are we just stuck with wasted space?

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/community/my-home-page

chungle

Dec 23, 2016

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#2559

Martin_Stahl wrote:

thewoefulking wrote:

Check my screenshots from v2 and there is a lot less white space percentage

Yes on the home screen, it is more. Though most of that is because the page is longer than it is on v2. From a horizontal standpoint, you are looking at about 10% more whitespace, ignoring the ability to theme that part (outside the chrome extension). It is almost exactly the same for messages and if I checked, probably many of the other pages since they share the design/layout.

Here is mine (from a horizontal view).

There is less than 100 px of difference in width, with some of that being background.

It's patently obvious from the two screenshots which one is subjectively displaying more whitespace: It's the one with the least amount of information in it. And of course that would be version 3

It's a propaganda miracle that version three is touted as better for the user. George Orwell would be proud of Chess.com for so spectacularly demonstrating the ending of Nineteen Eighty-four: How many fingers am I holding up? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTFV9w4B0eg

Hey erik! Kill Two now so that Stahl here can move on to telling the WORLD how many fingers you're holding up!

Do it! Do it! Do it!

nimzomalaysian

Dec 23, 2016

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#2560

GeneralChang wrote:

nimzomalaysian wrote:

GeneralChang wrote:

I like how you have help everyone with certain issues V3 man (martin), tell me how to remove the usless box labled new game on the right. There already is a play button on the top left. How can I reduce the size of the unnessary boxes on the right? Or are we just stuck with wasted space?

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/community/my-home-page

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