Express if you like or do not like the new version of the site

Live tourneys, not Daily. Live is what I and nimzo were talking about. 

But we'll see on those features. My reasons for upgrading were unlimited tactics, videos and vacation.

The previous poster didn't say anything about live tourneys...

My reasons for downgrading (I actually closed my account) were v3, cheating, and staff/moderators who didn't recognise racism when they saw it... IIRC, one comment directed at my nationality was described as "not pejorative enough to warrant its removal"...

Guys, we are fortunate to have an accommodating forum to discuss issues and voice opinions with moderate censoring intervention in current adversarial disputes that have little to do with the game and perhaps appeal to armchair, rarely playing , comedians. Our prime reason for patronizing this site is to engage in things "chessical" and the membership count is increasing hourly which suggests that cancellation drop-outs, for whatever reason, have not and won't affect the rising "let's-stay-put" numbers that include non-paying, titled masters that have agreed to endorse the site with their presence whether they contribute teaching lessons , videos, reviews etc., or not. As there is nothing more constant than change, then a respectful patience in this period of perpetual transition to the most competitive, appealing current site offering , is constructive.

  " I'll take my bat and ball and go home" attitude must be  acceptable and is prevalent  yet perceived perfection is only the status of the narcissist , Chess is the great leveler.  

It would be ridiculous to suggest that the site developers are masochistic and would reject a consensus of reasonable suggestions and they know that ongoing "tweaking" is an  "IT" imperative always at hand.

Now, I'm going to check out a master game on this improving site  to learn some more about chess     

While he didn't specifically say Live, that is clearly what was being discussed, as that is the feature that doesn't exist in v2.

Regarding your reasons for your account, I can certainly understand.

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coolshot wrote:

Guys, we are fortunate to have an accommodating forum to discuss issues and voice opinions with moderate censoring intervention in current adversarial disputes that have little to do with the game and perhaps appeal to armchair, rarely playing , comedians. Our prime reason for patronizing this site is to engage in things "chessical" and the membership count is increasing hourly which suggests that cancellation drop-outs, for whatever reason, have not and won't affect the rising "let's-stay-put" numbers that include non-paying, titled masters that have agreed to endorse the site with their presence whether they contribute teaching lessons , videos, reviews etc., or not. As there is nothing more constant than change, then a respectful patience in this period of perpetual transition to the most competitive, appealing current site offering , is constructive.

  " I'll take my bat and ball and go home" attitude must be  acceptable and is prevalent  yet perceived perfection is only the status of the narcissist , Chess is the great leveler.  

It would be ridiculous to suggest that the site developers are masochistic and would reject a consensus of reasonable suggestions and they know that ongoing "tweaking" is an  "IT" imperative always at hand.

Now, I'm going to check out a master game on this improving site  to learn some more about chess     

https:www.chess.com/forum/view/general/v3-v-v2

OK... Your mind reading skills are obviously better than mine... 

hey why are you talking about seat belts?  if this is because you have the tendency to drive dangerously, I like it

but if it is because you like to turn left or right on a boring straight road only for some change I don't like it, and for me V2 is like an easy ride on a straight avenue

as far as Titanic you can always discover change even there

The ux is attractive and addictive ! 

Should I even bother dissecting this trope-filled waffling piece...?    Dry white toast with lukewarm tofu spread anyone?

Sigh.. have we not beaten this broken rusty drum enough, coolshot?

People who resist and refuse to accept V3 are NOT anti-progression, anti-improvement, anti-change.  V3 is simply an inferior product to V2. 

You have a Cult of V3 here that believe V3 is the penultimate piece of software when its not even on par with the performance of V2 and only adds in a few new features coupled with a plethora of new bugs.  Look at Nimzo's list that he proudly taunts V3 as being the bees-knees of chess sites now ( #2582 [page 130]).

Where G-man succinctly refutes every single point, I too did the same pointing out that nothing in V3 exists that could not have been coded in to V2.  I also went on to show how V2 is a superior product, even in its current delapidated state, to V3. 

Martin attempted to rebut a few of my points, but more-or-less, gave the same tofu-spread reaction to all V3-deniers.  85~90% of the objective charges brought against V3 being a lesser product have gone unheeded, unchallenged.  While they do not fully disclose their reasons for doing so, Martin and Nimzo are the two primary Cult-of-V3 agents in this discussion.  I doubt they are simply here to troll; I believe, that like a broken clock, they each feel the need to be right about something in their lives twice a day.  And this is the forum to do it.  Profess that V3 is great.  It is here to stay.  And We are Right about that.  Erik said it was so.  And glorious it shall be.

Like your post above, @coolshot, no objectivity.  No specifics.  Just a cult-like glossing over of the issue with a trifle shot at labelling those of us who resist V3 as change-deniers.  Banal and boring.

Next..

Go through #2593, also conveniently locted on page 130, where I've completely trashed your list of 15 and countered with several examples of my own on why V2 >> V3.

And when you're done with that, re-read G-Man's rebuttal as well.  He thoroughly trashes is a 2nd time.

The Cult-of-V3 does not permit one to take an objective, rational look at V3 for what it is.  That's the problem.  I'm not overly proud of V2 (it needs/needed improvement as I have mentioned numerous times before), but it gets the job done far better than V3 which is rather embarrassing considering how long V3 has been under development.  Cult definition: see V3.

I think you forgot to go through #2613 in the next page where I've thoroughly thrashed all your points once again. I didn't care to refute GambitMan's points because they were too weak.

Your rebuttal was not worth the electricity needed to keep your keyboard powered while you whapped away at #2613. 

If you wish, I'll debunk your #2613 post point-by-painful-point.  I'll probably need a whole page to highlight the errors in your logic, but I'm happy to put it on display for all to witness.

What are you waiting for?

...☕☕  The most important meal of the day.

Ok.  Invitation accepted.  I'll publish it shortly.

"If you wish, I'll debunk your #2613 post point-by-painful-point.  I'll probably need a whole page to highlight the errors in your logic, but I'm happy to put it on display for all to witness".                                                                               Please do,  Speilberg is looking at this thread for his next movie in 2017.   Steven ask that you don't stop at one page. Give us your entire thesis won't you?

arrogance was a big factor in the Titanic sinking ,They said it couldn't be sunk .

It was built in H+W shipyards in Belfast N.Ireland and if you read the ships markings upside down (from my memory now of old photographs),it spelt FTHEPOP.(you get the drift)

I wonder if V2 going down may also cause a shock.

A response to a response to a response.....are they responsible ?  WE HAVE ALL READ "THE POINTS" .......many of which I've both held and some agreed with and some subsequently addressed to my own satisfaction.

Has there been ANY improvement on V2 or beneficial  inclusion in V3 that was not in V2 ? ....if answered in the affirmative then isn't that progress ?  Tirades , rational or not ,  have less  impact than a Haiku doublet :

" While she sleeps

  She pounds the rice"

............patient waiting , pregnant with the progressive expectation  to simply  "get on with it ".......the detail WILL be ultimately addressed in a fairly consensual all embracing plan , not necessarily accepted by all.....that's life.

 An eccentric held view is often perceived as cultist especially when appreciated  by the few  and opposed by the many fixated that resist change and we are not talking a Waco false premise . .....it's how do we formulate a site that appeals to chess enthusiasts in its simplicity and functionality......and most want that.

I'm not strong on beliefs but  prefer inspirational hypotheses "going some where" to attempt fact realization. 

Let's accept  that BOTH V2 and V3 have their adherents and proponents who have  reasonable arguments in support.  Many are simply SATISFIED that THEIR  preferred version fulfills THEIR needs

....... "nuff said " .  

zzzzzzzz

ok... just as well i didn't mention the visual problems...