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RetGuvvie98
May 16, 2010
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May 16, 2010
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#62
FirebrandX wrote:
Jamesh, you forget again how completely irrational it is to expect to receive rating points on games where you pick and choose what color you want. You and the few others who agree with you are consistantly failing to understand that concept.
Tell you what, go to to any FIDE rated tournament and demand that each round you get white. After they refuse, then poll all the players attending and see if they agree with you. Then try to figure out who is going to be FORCED to play black when everyone agrees they want white.
I'd hate to repeat myself yet again as I've already did respond to this point.
May 16, 2010
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#63
Ret,
Once again you outdo yourself with dogma. Have you even tried reading the points raised here? No. Do you yourself ooze with "facts and logic"? no.
Give it a rest and respond to the actual points raised - not the made up ones that you've decided to reassert and respond to.
p.s. are you really doing 3rd person insults via the-web?
p.p.s. don't let any actual facts "confuse [your] facts" or should i say The Facts™
Take this position, it doesn't matter what colour you play, you're still in a right old pickle:
AnthonyCG wrote:
THE PIECES ARE EXACTLY THE SAME SO WHY DOES IT MATTER??
You've raised this point many times and I have a good hunch even you know this isn't true. Of course at a low rating, which the person you are talking to has, the point is true that who goes first won't make much of a deal. But by the time you hit about 1400 it starts to matter because thats when defenses and openings start to get applied (not heavily but initially, my opinion at least).
You keep saying it, and again it's true for Jamesh's case, who you are directing your comment toward. But for my sake, would you mind clarifying the point of skill level when you make the difference? I just had to point it out, mainly for my own sake so I can sleep tonight lol. :)
We might have a different opinion of when white matters at what rating (again I say 1400). I think it's early in playing: Play b4 as white (Polish opening) or play b5 as black (Polish defense) and you'll most likely learn to only choose b4 rather than b5.
May 16, 2010
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#66
AnthonyCG wrote:
Ok dude this sounds snobbish but you just don't know what's best for you. How could you if you're a beginner? You're not going to pick up chess in 5 minutes. It takes time. You sound like you're making excuses and that's why everyone is aggitated.
Don't you don't find it odd that everyone is saying the same thing over and over!!??
Maybe the experienced players would know something the non-experienced don't... Nah no way!!!
THE PIECES ARE EXACTLY THE SAME SO WHY DOES IT MATTER??
You don't need to be gifted to be good at chess and thinking otherwise is causing you to doubt yourself which will make it harder to learn anyway. You can't just compare chess to other things and expect to learn all the same because you won't get far at all -not until you're not a beginner at least.
OTB chess IS CHESS! That's why it's brought up so often!! Live chess is simply an emulation of it and CC is a slower chess with special rules involved.
But whatever man. If you want to reinvent the wheel and fail miserably then go on ahead. You won't get any better and you'll find yourself in positions that you will lose because it sounds like you're going to drop every equal position you ever play since you like having that one extra turn to be apparent.
Take this position:
No targets to attack at all but what to do? Well you couldn't know since you don't play Black and missed out on some important defensive stuff. So here you're likely to lose just because you don't know what's going on.
Get used to that...
Anthony,
I can't speak for everyone, but while I learn tactics and opening ideas I also could use some familiar structures to explore the concepts I've started reading about so that I can see where certain ideas work for me and where they don't.
I'm not sure either of us is gifted enough to assert what methodology is best for the wide community but I can say for myself that I feel as though continuous switching takes my ability to progress several steps backwards for both colors -- and I have been making progress from the point I started at.
Why not find a middle ground that allows beginners this methodology to still be under a rating system and also the new change, where you cannot stick to a single color in the long run once you become a solid player?
p.s. what makes you so damn sure (see my earlier 'follow the leader' argument) that the small group that run this site know what is best for you/everyone?
p.p.s. don't get me wrong... I gave it a try before coming to a conclusion that it really throws me off.
Repetition by playing only one color exclusively seems like a good idea, especially when one has a set repertoire/defense that they need to work on.
I wouldn't think it a big deal to allow people to choose their own color at the expense of having to wait a little longer to find an opponent. If people did like this option, then statistically you could predict that half the people would want to work on their "white" game and half would want to work on their "black" game...hence everyone wins (, draws, or loses).
Perhaps the current system simplifies running this site.
I really don't understand the problem.
If I've got this right, you can still choose to play as white (or as black) if you want, you just can't do that in a rated game. Correct?
Why is that a problem? Why do you expect to get rating points if you aren't playing a fair game? If all you want to do is practice with one color or the other, then you can do that - but it's practice, and it's not rated.
I'm pretty sure that the guy doing all the bitching and calling everyone else trolls knows exactly what he's doing. He's just trolling and bitching.
Have you explained why you should always have your choice, and your opponent shouldn't?
QQ some moar
Jamesh20000 wrote:
p.p.s. there's still my other suggestions as well, to allow players to be marked as 'single color players' or to just allow beginners some leeway in color selection. I'm not sure any studies have been made to support the superiority of the 'tournament/club switch-colors-every-match style' over a methodology where some repetition is allowed.
single color players?
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hold on I have to recover......
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I just cant wait to see the Only white players world championship match, its gonna be so exciting.
p.p.p.p.p.p.p.p.p.p.p.p.p.p.p.s.You said you were leaving, right?
You can choose the color when you play CC and live chess. You have no option to choose when you play tournament games.
May 17, 2010
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#75
Baldr wrote:
I really don't understand the problem.
If I've got this right, you can still choose to play as white (or as black) if you want, you just can't do that in a rated game. Correct?
Why is that a problem? Why do you expect to get rating points if you aren't playing a fair game? If all you want to do is practice with one color or the other, then you can do that - but it's practice, and it's not rated.
I'm pretty sure that the guy doing all the bitching and calling everyone else trolls knows exactly what he's doing. He's just trolling and bitching.
I'd hate to repeat myself yet again as I've already did respond to this point.
p.s. You should update your definition of 'Troll'. I've made a general description to people who's commentary distracts from the subject of discussion. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29
May 17, 2010
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#76
RetGuvvie98 wrote:
dannyhume, it was done because there were a few who abused the privilege of choosing color - playing 1900 games as white, and less than 20 as black is abusing the system. (in the sense that "system" includes all those other users, each hoping to play white, but maturely picking 'random color' for their game setting.
thus the system was changed, and no one can control it the way they did before.
Ret,
Do you have any of the actual facts on the statistics here? Are random seekers forced to play black 80% of the time instead of 50-50? No.
There's enough players on this site to spread the game in a way that people are happy with either waiting a little extra to play their color of choosing or just playing...
Erik,
Here's another suggestion -- give seek priority to players that put down 'random' or 'black' to help bring the statistics to that desirable 50-50. I don't think there's much of a difference as of now but I can see where this is a concern even if I tend to think a few percents shouldn't matter much for non-tournament games.
I really can't believe that you are being so stubbornly thick regarding this matter. Let me spell it out for you:
1. Chess players have never been able to choose colours in any form of the game. It's part of the history and lore of the game that you play whatever colour you have been given.
2. We are not about to change this traditional (and entirely fair) practice to allow some Johny-come-lately to dictate terms to the rest of us.
Get it now? or do you also advocate that some football teams only play with the wind to their backs? or some baseball teams only bat and never field?
For a grown man to continue this debate in the face of overwhelming opinion to the contrary, smacks of childishness. I'm sure that we're all sick and tired of hearing your ill-informed opinion on this issue, so please, grow a pair and man up.
The day that this site reverts back to allowing players to choose their own colours is the day that the inmates run the asylum.
May 17, 2010
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#78
kco wrote:
I bet that Batman doesn't mind playing the Black pieces but takes White occasionally so that girly Robin doesn't get it all his own way.
Da na na na na na na na naaa .... BATMAN!