Rating point option on timeout wins

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CraigH40

I think there should be an option that if you win by a timeout that you can decline the rating points.   I'd like to know my true rating and not get gift rating points on timeout wins.  If I'm ahead in a game and my opponent decides just to quit rather than resign then I'm ok with getting the rating for that particular game.  I think there should be an alert asking if you would like to accept the rating points from the timeout win. 

After a certain number of moves maybe have that option go away so higher level players can't decline the rating points in a game they would of won anyway just to play in lower level tournaments.   

TadDude
CraigH40 wrote:

I think there should be an option that if you win by a timeout that you can decline the rating points.   I'd like to know my true rating and not get gift rating points on timeout wins.  If I'm ahead in a game and my opponent decides just to quit rather than resign then I'm ok with getting the rating for that particular game.  I think there should be an alert asking if you would like to accept the rating points from the timeout win. 

After a certain number of moves maybe have that option go away so higher level players can't decline the rating points in a game they would of won anyway just to play in lower level tournaments.   


In settings  http://www.chess.com/home/echess_settings.html you will find you can uncheck "Auto-Win on Time". In non-tournament and non-team games you can manipulate your rating to be lower than the rating you should have by resigning games that timeout.

When you win a tournament game by timeout, that you think you do not deserve to win, go to your bank of timed out games and resign the oldest one. You have 60 days to do so before you get the win. This will artificially lower your rating so you will now be able to whip players with a rating higher than yours. Defeats the whole purpose of a rating system.

AlCzervik

It also is peculiar that one will receive a win/loss due to a lack of moves, but no change in rating points.

Seems to me that you can't have one without the other.

oldandlazy

Well, you do get disconnected in nearly half the games anyway. Chess.com is clearly the worse chess site ever.

CraigH40

I wrote this a long time ago, but I was talking about turn base chess only. Not live chess games.  Mainly games where you are only a few moves in and the other opponent just decides to quit playing. 

AlCzervik
IMDeviate wrote:
TMIMITW wrote:

It also is peculiar that one will receive a win/loss due to a lack of moves, but no change in rating points.

Seems to me that you can't have one without the other.


This is a bug - On chess.com you can make a few moves then abort or resign or time out and there is no ratings change. Needs to be fixed. You'll get fewer aborts and time outs.


 I signed up for a tournament after way too many beers, and the next day I was surprised to see so many games! Too many for me to handle. So, I withdrew from the tournament before making any moves. I lost points for all games-about 55 rating points.

In the past few weeks, A few players timed out against me in the beginning of our games. No rating adjustment was made.

So, what you're saying is that I could have made one move in all the resigned games, timed out, and not lost any points?

If this is true, this is a BIG bug that should immediately receive attention from the staff.  

TadDude
TMIMITW wrote:
IMDeviate wrote:
TMIMITW wrote:

It also is peculiar that one will receive a win/loss due to a lack of moves, but no change in rating points.

Seems to me that you can't have one without the other.


This is a bug - On chess.com you can make a few moves then abort or resign or time out and there is no ratings change. Needs to be fixed. You'll get fewer aborts and time outs.


 I signed up for a tournament after way too many beers, and the next day I was surprised to see so many games! Too many for me to handle. So, I withdrew from the tournament before making any moves. I lost points for all games-about 55 rating points.

In the past few weeks, A few players timed out against me in the beginning of our games. No rating adjustment was made.

So, what you're saying is that I could have made one move in all the resigned games, timed out, and not lost any points?

If this is true, this is a BIG bug that should immediately receive attention from the staff.  


Not a bug. It is the policy.

Resignations in rated tournament games always affect ratings.

Timeouts where there are less than three and a half moves do not impact rating in any type of game. You do not have to move at all. Your new high timeout ratio will keep you from registering in tournaments for 90 days.

Dim_Ken

I'm new to this site (and online chess) and on the whole I like it, however a variant of this timeout issue is a real bugbear for me.  On the few occasions that I have somehow managed to pull off a spectacular move, taking a Queen early on or closing in on the King for example, the other player has simply decided to timeout - leaving me sitting around for 10 or 15 minutes.  It's unsportsmanlike to say the least, infact it's cowardice!

TadDude
Dim_Ken wrote:

I'm new to this site (and online chess) and on the whole I like it, however a variant of this timeout issue is a real bugbear for me.  On the few occasions that I have somehow managed to pull off a spectacular move, taking a Queen early on or closing in on the King for example, the other player has simply decided to timeout - leaving me sitting around for 10 or 15 minutes.  It's unsportsmanlike to say the least, infact it's cowardice!


The discussion is about online / correspondence style games.

For your "live" issue see here  http://support.chess.com/Knowledgebase/Article/View/171/0/fair-play-policy

Dim_Ken
TadDude wrote:
Dim_Ken wrote:

I'm new to this site (and online chess) and on the whole I like it, however a variant of this timeout issue is a real bugbear for me.  On the few occasions that I have somehow managed to pull off a spectacular move, taking a Queen early on or closing in on the King for example, the other player has simply decided to timeout - leaving me sitting around for 10 or 15 minutes.  It's unsportsmanlike to say the least, infact it's cowardice!


The discussion is about online / correspondence style games.

For your "live" issue see here  http://support.chess.com/Knowledgebase/Article/View/171/0/fair-play-policy


Ok, thanks for that.  I should have read into it more!