Tactic Trainer Timer needs to be removed

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stephen_33
chessplayer11 wrote:
stephen_33 wrote:

I became so frustrated with TT that I left it alone for months but now I'm using it again because,as a paying member, I'm able to set it to 'unrated' mode (note-you can't switch the clock off, it still sits there ticking away!)

You can't switch the timer off if you've disabled ratings? I know I can do it.

I'd really like to know how because I've just checked my TT settings again & you can play in either Rated(timed) mode or Unrated but the timer in the top-right-hand corner still ticks away (it just doesn't affect anything anymore apart from reminding me of my inadequacy!).

There aren't any other settings that I can see.


Edit:  I'm intrigued - as a complimentary member, how can you practice TT in anything but rated mode anyway ?

woton
baddogno wrote:

Problem is that there's what I call "pity mode" where the computer feeds you a problem that you missed earlier.  Heck, even I can get those right!  There is even what I call "dumb sh#t  mode"  where the computer gives you the same problem twice in a row (a problem that I've apparently missed many times before).  This rating creep results in problems that are just over my head.  

I solved this problem by resetting the tactics trainer.  Since I did that, I haven't had a problem immediately repeat, my rating has dropped to where I think that it should be, and I don't get problems way above my head.

baddogno

Thanks for the feedback, Woton.  Glad to hear I'm not the only TT resetter.

VanillaKnightPOC

Yeah, chess.com needs a rated non timed option.

Blackfang

I agree with Scottrf. I used the tactics trainer quite a bit, and it's helped me a lot. I can look at a chess game and (assuming an easier tactic is present) see it very quickly.I won't be seeing 2k+ tactics, but things like hanging pieces are far more apparent, and I see them much more quickly now.

Also, it doesn't take long to glance at the top right of my screen to see if it's my move, and which pieces I'm playing.

ozzie_c_cobblepot

The first thing I do in TT is to count material. It takes a little time, but it is obviously important. I don't understand the logic of these statements: "The timer should be eliminated", "There is an unrated untimed mode", and "I don't care about ratings". Please help.

woton

TT is a learning tool.  To me, the most important aspect is reviewing the solutions to problems that I missed until I understand them.  As a result, I now find that I can instinctively spot many moves rather than spending 3 or 4 minutes calculating the move.  This is very useful when you are in time pressure in an OTB tournament.

cferrel

Just go to Chesstempo.com they have blitz puzzles to solve or the good old slow and standard puzzles.

VanillaKnightPOC

There is no reason why chess.com can't have a rated timed and non timed tactics trainer.

Unless it will cost them a lot of money making it economically not worth their time.

VanillaKnightPOC
coneheadzombie wrote:
cferrel wrote:

Just go to Chesstempo.com they have blitz puzzles to solve or the good old slow and standard puzzles.

Those puzzles are for rank beginners! I tried them and if you have a basic understanding of checks and captures, they are too easy. Don't practice with those.

Your chesstempo rating is?

VanillaKnightPOC

Your assertion that the puzzles are for rank beginners is hilariously wrong, I probably should have just said that.

The only reason I could think of for your comment is that you have a very low rating and thus only got the easy puzzles.

VanillaKnightPOC

The whole point of tactics trainer being rated is so you can get tactics relative to your skill level.

VanillaKnightPOC

Thank you for pointing out something painfully obvious.

VanillaKnightPOC

Utterly irrelevant and slightly dubious, but hey it's something to type.

Shivsky

Here's a perspective: I think the trainer was designed to train  pattern-recognition, not raw calculation.  

If you don't see the answer in 10-15 seconds, you're probably going at it analytically and this will introduce the same human errors that you'll make in an actual game.  If it was instant recall, you're going to be bloody accurate, not just fast :) So If you do see it fast enough to beat the timer, you're probably exhibiting the dominant behavior of strong players (accurate recall as opposed to brute-force calculation) and the trainer rewards you for it.

So if you get it wrong or are too slow, stop, re-assess the position and try to cement the tactical pattern / motif into your brain ... and if you see it (or similar ones) again, you'll be more effective at solving it within this time constraint.

VanillaKnightPOC

Yes, timed and non timed tactics trainer will benefit different areas of your chess.

VanillaKnightPOC

I wasn't doing that.

mistermax

I agree with the OP.  I don't play the tactics trainer on chess.com for that very reason.  I can't ignore the timer - its sitting there counting and I can't focus properly.  Plus it irritates me that my slowness is reflected in my rating, even if I eventually get the correct solution, which is the main goal for me.  That's my problem, I realize, but the net result is, when I want to do tactics, I go over to chess tempo, where I have been able to maintain a 2000+ rating, something I could never do here.  Of course I sometimes have to study the problem for 10 minutes.

blake78613
chessplayer11 wrote:

 

Knocking the timer out of the loop can only help people think more, allowing them to grow mentally with their skills in solving these problems.

Thinking is not the point of the tactics trainer.  The idea is pattern recognition which is learned by repetition.  As Euwe stated, "Tactics is seeing, Strategy is thinking."  You must be able to see tactical patterns quickly so you can get on with your thinking.   The biggest benefit of tactical vision is that it allows you to quickly recognize if your candidate moves are tactically safe so you can get on with your evaluation.

Chonksalot

Ugh, I hate losing points after getting the tactic correct with time to spare.