Rant on brother!!
cheater account closed
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Same thing happened in a tournament I played in some time ago. I lost a game to the cheater, but the rest of the field simply got two points. I asked about it, but was told that's just the way it is.
Dec 6, 2011
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Does it count as cheating if you ask other people for feedback in your Online games or does it have to be an engine being used to constitute cheating?
Dec 6, 2011
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galileo182 wrote:
Does it count as cheating if you ask other people for feedback in your Online games
Absolutely-- no one else can be consulted. You can use references, but not people.
EDIT-- I assume you mean for ongoing games. Once a game is over, of course, any consultation or engine analysis is fine.
Dec 6, 2011
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galileo182 wrote:
Does it count as cheating if you ask other people for feedback in your Online games or does it have to be an engine being used to constitute cheating?
Obviously, it's impossible to police, but strictly speaking, you should not discuss positions in your current games with other people. Unrated/Take-back-type games may provide an exception, depending on what the players have worked out.
Happened in a tournament i was in , the cheater was barred and i was content with the action taken . 
I would think that if a person was caught cheating while in a tournament, he should forfeit all his games in the tournament for purposes of the tournament standings. I would not try to retroactively readjust ratings. Similarly, if someone leaves a tournament, they should lose all their tournament games for purposes of the tournament standings.
Dec 7, 2011
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I don't see how it is imperative to go back and re-rate all his past games. That's a different issue.
The issue here is that an ONGOING tournament has been corrupted, i.e. the results don't mean anything because the cheater won half of his games and automatically lost the other half. His victories and losses are randomly distributed based on speed of play. It's totally unfair to the players who played fast!
I, myself, got two free victories, but: I am saying this is unfair. Either all of the cheater's games should be removed from tournament results or consistently set to losses.
Please look at the tournament if you don't understand what I'm saying: http://www.chess.com/tournament/sicilian-2-days-no-vacation
Dec 7, 2011
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#13
@ garbo999
It is about time tournament organizers (like you) should take responsibility and preemptively start banishing untrustworthy anonymous newcomers from tournaments.
Don't pretend surprise.
blake78613 wrote:
I would think that if a person was caught cheating while in a tournament, he should forfeit all his games in the tournament for purposes of the tournament standings. I would not try to retroactively readjust ratings. Similarly, if someone leaves a tournament, they should lose all their tournament games for purposes of the tournament standings.
What he said
Dec 7, 2011
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@Polar_Bear
Don't be silly. This is the first tournament I've organized. I've played in about 15 tournaments on CHESS.COM. I've never seen this happen --> SURPRISE.
Dec 7, 2011
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Polar_Bear wrote:
@ garbo999
It is about time tournament organizers (like you) should take responsibility and preemptively start banishing untrustworthy anonymous newcomers from tournaments.
Don't pretend surprise.
What an asinine comment. Newcomers aren't the ones getting nailed for cheating, because it takes an established base of games to verify cheating behavior. If you want a factor that correlates strongly with cheating, look at members with high ratings.
Dec 7, 2011
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#17
Really low to cheat if you ask me. Its a game. What is at stake? Shows peoples true nature.
garbo999 wrote:
The issue here is that an ONGOING tournament has been corrupted, i.e. the results don't mean anything because the cheater won half of his games and automatically lost the other half. His victories and losses are randomly distributed based on speed of play. It's totally unfair to the players who played fast!
I, myself, got two free victories, but: I am saying this is unfair. Either all of the cheater's games should be removed from tournament results or consistently set to losses.
Yes, this. (And not just because I lost two games to him in a different tournament.) The cheater is, of course, number one in my section in the other tournament, and I'm curious to see whether he'll move on to the next round or not. That, of course, would be quite unfair to the person who should have come in third...
IMDeviate wrote:
Variations of this gripe have been aired in the forums for several years.
On the surface it would seem to be simple, but really it's not. If you go back in time and change results/re-rate games played in the past by cheaters, you also have to re-rate EVERY game played on chess.com for all eternity. With 4 million current members (and many more who left or were banned) that's a lot of games.
Why? Obviously, because every ratings change is based on the rating of the two players at the time the result is recorded. Therefore to maintain the integrity of whatever ratings system you employ you can't just change ratings of those who played (and presumably lost or drew) vs. cheaters.
Rev you're talking about USCF otb tournaments, right? Unless the player is busted with computer in hand or some sneaky bluetooth device in their ear you can't prove they were cheating based on one game or even a handful of games. You'd need a large sample of games and subject them to some voodoo science engine matching process, and this would ONLY work if the player is using an engine for most or all of their moves. There's really no way to be conclusive about it if the player grabs an occasional engine move here or there.
Previous no of members was 40,000 , now 4 million ? tomorrow i bet 4 billion is stated .
I'm hosting a tournament (http://www.chess.com/tournament/sicilian-2-days-no-vacation). Everything was going fine, until yesterday chess.com closed the acount of the top player for cheating.
I don't want to debate the merits of closing this person's account, BUT: The stupid thing is that all the games he won are retained as victories! That is unfair to the players who played quickly and in good faith against this person (I myself played slowly and got 2 free wins).
Why is it not possible to simply set all of his victories to losses?
(Rough SQL code: UPDATE db SET victory = FALSE where playerid = 'cheater user id')
I know, you're going to tell me to write chess.com directly because no one reads these forums. I already tried that, so I figured I would at least make my rant here.