How to create good and fast tournament

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What options should have the tournament to be able to call it a "fast tournament" and to be most convenient for participants?

Strictly required parameters

Parameter:
   Allow players to use VACATION TIME: NO
Why?
I seen a lot of tournaments in which some players turn on "vacation" at the beginning.
Sometimes at the same time they continued to play Live-Chess.
Other participants are waiting up to 2 months...
Since quite some time now I join the tournament only if it "no-vacation".

Parameter:
   Player Move Speed: 3 Hrs Per Move
Why?
To avoid slow-moving players.
If are given 24 or 48 hours for a move, it is not necessary to use all the allotted time.
Probably some players does not have enough time for chess - they can play slow tournaments.

Parameter:
   Min. # of games a player must have finished: 50 or more
Why?
Player who finished a small number of games has no well-defined Rating and "Player Move Speed" value.

Parameter:
   Concurrent Games per Opponent: 2
Why?
To reduce by half the duration of the tournament.

Parameter:
   Days Per Move: 1 or 2
Why?
For fast tournament larger valuesare not required.

Parameter:
   Max Timeout %: 5
Why?
To avoid people who like to lose "on time".
Entered the tournament - should have a respect for the opponent!

   Player1   X   - - - - 1 1
   Player2  - -  X   - - 1 1
   Player3  - - - -  X   1 1
   Player4  0 0 0 0 0 0  X


Optional parameters

Parameter:
   Group Size: 5 - 8
Why?
Just subjectively - I prefer not very large, but not very small groups.

Parameter:
   Advance per Group: more than 1
Why?
To avoid situation "once mistaken -> eliminated".
As this tournament are fast, it will not affect the overall duration of the tournament.

Parameter:
   Use TIE BREAKS: Yes
Why?
To increase the accuracy of determining the winner.

Parameter:
   Min. Rating & Max. Rating - best set so that the difference between min and max was from 200 to 400.
Why?
Player with a rating of 2000 + would not be very fun to play with in 1100.
But remember, small range - fewer players will be able to participate.

Parameter:
   Max Players: should be such that we have several groups
Why?
I think that playing 2-3 rounds would be more interesting.

Avatar of Marignon

Everything is sacrificed to make the tournament faster.

Is the speed really important in correspondence game? Absolutely not.

People who like to play fast just choose blitz.

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V_Fox,

You make some excellent points and I appreciate you taking the time to contribute your ideas here to the community.

@Marignon, I can see where you're coming from, but I agree with V_Fox and I do not think people who like to play faster correspondence tournaments should just play blitz instead.

Here's why:

As V_Fox said, just because you have more time available, does not mean you must take all the time. 

Sometimes in a correspondence game, it only takes a few minutes to analyze the position and make the correct move.

Sometimes there are players who will force the entire tournament to wait for weeks or even longer because they are losing and do not make their move, even if it is forced or at the worst, a mate in 1.

When you eliminate those types of players, the tournament goes better for all.

If you have 24 hours to make your move, you can still play at a blitz type speed, but the important distinction is, you don't have to move until you have had plenty of time to consider your move.

So it has all the benefits of the faster time controls, but because of the built-in time control, it also gives you plenty of time to take your time before finalizing your move.

Again, I do realize where you're coming from, but like V_Fox, I believe the fast play correspondence tournaments have their place for those who enjoy that style.

There are only 7 more spots for players available before the Very Fast Tournament starts and those who meet the qualifications can find more information about the tournament and how to register here:

http://www.chess.com/tournament/very-fast-play-tournament

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I was thinking on the subject and now consider tournaments that are played in several stages (with some people promoted and some not) an assault on human dignity principles.

I'm sorry to take part at such tournaments.

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Marignon wrote:

I was thinking on the subject and now consider tournaments that are played in several stages (with some people promoted and some not) an assault on human dignity principles.

I'm sorry to take part at such tournaments.

Surprised what is the relationship between the number of stages of the tournament and "an assault on human dignity principles"??

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learningthemoves wrote:
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Again, I do realize where you're coming from ...

What is the relationship between "where user Marignon coming from" and tournaments?

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Marignon

why not blitz:
to play blitz tournament you need to have a big chunk of free time with total concentration (when noone does not distract from the game)
I do not have it

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V_Fox wrote:

what is the relationship between the number of stages of the tournament and "an assault on human dignity principles"??

It is a phylosophical question.

I think about the Olympic principles: "The win does not matter, the participation does". So, if there is some stage where the participation is denied, it is not good. 

I however like it how chess.com tournament points system is organized, praising people for their commitment. not their abilities. 

This is a good, truly Socialist approach.

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I think players with same speed of the game should participate in tournaments.

So if someone likes to play slowly and be able to vacation, he can play with the same people - everyone will be happy.

For example:
this is not very big tournament
http://www.chess.com/tournament/enbs-aquarist-tourney-1
 started 23.10.2013 (! almost 9 months ago) still not finished 1st round.

and in this knockout tournament (only 100 games in round 1)
http://www.chess.com/tournament/szachowepl2
 started 06.11.2013 is also the 1st round... and my opponent has spent for every move almost 12 days and 23 hours 30 minutes.

* Note, if some player "A" has no premium, it can simultaneously play in only one tournament, and if someone slows tournament, the player "A" loses the opportunity to play any tournament for a long time.

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V_Fox wrote:

Marignon

why not blitz:
to play blitz tournament you need to have a big chunk of free time with total concentration (when noone does not distract from the game)
I do not have it

I understand. I play here for similar reasons.

But sometimes you should spend several days to find a good move.

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I don't understand how three hours a move works. If I make my move at around midnight can I go off to bed or will I default sometime between 3am and 6 am?

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Hi John,

The speed per move average is the metric used to calculate how long it takes each player to move on average.

So you could take several hours on the critical moves but spend only a few minutes on others and the average of the time it takes per move is your average move speed.

Some moves I only take a few minutes, while others, in more complicated positions, I may sleep on it and look at it again the next morning when I'm more well rested and fresh.

With all the faster moves making up the majority averaged in with the longer ones, you'll see my average move speed is one and one half hours per move.

The time management is entirely up to the player.

The bare minimum time control is 24 hours per move, so even if you slept for a full 8 hours, you'd still have the remaining 16 hours to make your move. Then your opponent has a fresh 24 hours to make their next move and back to you again, alternating like this until the game is completed.

Does this make sense to you?

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V_Fox wrote:
learningthemoves wrote:
....
Again, I do realize where you're coming from ...

What is the relationship between "where user Marignon coming from" and tournaments?

"I know where you're coming from" isn't meant literally here, but figuratively, intended to communicate I understand what he was saying about tournaments.

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johnyoudell wrote:

I don't understand how three hours a move works. If I make my move at around midnight can I go off to bed or will I default sometime between 3am and 6 am?

it mean average 3 hour per move in all your OnlineChess games, so you can sleep 12 hours, but after it make 4-5 fast moves...

if you press OnlineChess in your Home Page - you can see this average value.

I have 59 min, but I like sleep a long time in holidays

is it clear?