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jonnin

The way I read it he said take the pawn and the (opponent's !!!!) knight can't escape.   Which is true regardless of which piece takes the pawn as far as I can tell.  His move list provided has pawn takes pawn (as you noted) but I am asking for a reason/clarification of this choice because I want to know why one instead of the other.

darshandatta

thnx for all the comments excepting that i suck one:d. During game i thought for almost 5 min whether to play g4. I saw black might pile up on long diagonal but  i overestimated my king safety . btw was my position already worse after g2-g4?

TetsuoShima
MarisVetra wrote:

Your opponent played good chess, but you also ignored your king safety and didnt think about the iniciative that you usually give opponent after winning material. After taking knight - you should have tryed to consolidate with all resources available, instead you kept position very unstable. Now i'm not saying i wouldnt do the same if i would play some 3 minutes chess, but still i think these were 2 main mistakes - ignoring iniciative and king safety.


so the saying who takes first has to defend is correct?

BigDoggProblem

Definitely 16.de5 as other posters have said. The N is trapped, so why not try to get in a quick Rfd1 knocking the Q off that diagonal?

jonnin
Eh, I dunno, best I could do trying to play both sides a bit.  Probably better moves in there still.  But its an example of how the 2 choices might go and where they lead.  And still not sure which is "better" really.  Both scenarios have good  & bad.
 
zborg

[AND AGAIN]  "I think 16. dxe5 is better because the knight can't find a way out just yet and you can get rid of his queen by Rf-d1, that develops your rook and you grab the knight with at least less risk." (from post #17 above).

Beyond that, you simply need to study a bit more.

Usually it takes only one different move to produce a different postion, and overall assessment.

So don't hyper-analyse your game.  Just learn from your "one mistake," and move on with your studies of the Royal Game.

P.S.  Over time you'll discover that every game is an adventure, no matter how many games, or how many years, you play.  Smile


BigDoggProblem

What about 16.de Ba6 17.Rfd1 Qb7 18.Kg2, jonnin?

jonnin

probably a better choice, actually.  I think black has to give in at that point and do Bxe5 to get *something* for his knight.  Much better, well done!

So I suppose the pawn IS better, if those scenarios are reasonable.  My final knight-takes scenario position is nothing to cheer about anyway.

TetsuoShima

jonin why would white take the bishop instead of the hanging queen??

GarryAlekhine

report the game.im not sure he was cheating but humans dont play aggressive like this.if he wouldnt cheat his account wont be closed.try it.it takes just 1 min

TetsuoShima

but seriously if the knight sac wasnt a blunder than it was a bit too sophisticated for a 1400 player, even though it might not be correct.

TetsuoShima

seriously alekhine is joking, but i mean it. If it wasnt a blunder, than the idea was way too advanced for the level of the player

jonnin
TetsuoShima wrote:

jonin why would white take the bishop instead of the hanging queen??

Apparently he didnt see it.  :)

As for the knight/cheating... nah, I think he screwed up and hung the knight by accident and it HAPPENS to be a good move.  That sort of thing happens now and then.

heister

Cheating? Just don't go there.  Its rude to the opponent that played a nice game.. besides:

There was nothing played that needed any extraordinary skill for black.. white forced black to play good moves at the right moment, and put him into an attacking position with a loose king.  The opening was not spectacular, the Qxh3 move and Bb7 were both easy to spot.  There was no easy defense after gxh5, which was a blunder for white (even though a very tempting and tasty blunder).  The players on the thread already found the much better dxe5, even though white will need to play several strong moves before capturing the knight.  g4 was objectively a good move , but it was impractical, meaning it gives the other guy the attack.  In amateur chess, which is what we all play, the attacker has an advantage, as shown in this game.

Respectfully,

-2 cent steve

jonnin

yea, well said ^^

GarryAlekhine

i dont know opponent,s rating if he is 1700 or more this is not a cheat.but i wonder if my 1300 rated opponent plays like this!

avi97

well u played f3 thats why you lost

GarryAlekhine

do you mean 18.f3?! it was best move to dont being checkmated.

darshandatta

well my opponent was rated 1299

MarisVetra
TetsuoShima wrote:
MarisVetra wrote:

Your opponent played good chess, but you also ignored your king safety and didnt think about the iniciative that you usually give opponent after winning material. After taking knight - you should have tryed to consolidate with all resources available, instead you kept position very unstable. Now i'm not saying i wouldnt do the same if i would play some 3 minutes chess, but still i think these were 2 main mistakes - ignoring iniciative and king safety.


so the saying who takes first has to defend is correct?

When you concentrate your forces to attack some point all your pieces are working towards this goal(to attack the point), your opponent is defending this point and his pieces are working towards his goal(to defend the point), when you reach your goal and capture material, usually all your pieces that were working towards this goal stop working, because point is captured and material is won, but your opponent defending pieces are usually working together better, because defender has home-field advantage(the closer your pieces are to your starting positions, closer they are to each other, the easier is to make them work together) and by actually capturing this piece you lose a tempo, maybe somtimes more then one, so opponent has iniciative by having tempo or few ahead of you and by having his pieces better coordinated.

 

So in short - after you capture material - your pieces become dumber then they were, and opponent pieces become free and ready to roll. Opponent is few moves ahead of you and you should respect those few moves until situation is consolidated before you start another active action.