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So why do players Cheat in Chess?
Crime & Punishment
You shouldn't be punishing people after they do something. You should be stoping people Before they do something
You cannot punish before a crime is committed, but if you want to live in that kind of society, hey start to pay the tickets for all the times you passed the speed limit, and go to the police to denounce yourself every time you do it.
Further from your flag I see you are from US, come on, is not enough all the black people you put in jail for 20 or more years, to discover they didn't do the crime? What would you do open mass concentration camps for future crimes? Or punish the intention? Ridicolous, hope one day some people are mature enough to understand what they ask for.
Chill dude, he said "stoping.... before" [sic] not "punishing before".
The key word there is "stoping", not punishing; We need to stope people from cheating in the first place. And such stoping measures are already in place at least in the U.S.; Cell phone use is prohibited in all tournaments, and electronics, like headphones, are prohibited in most major ones. Now, if a player has something that can be used fore cheating, the TD will stope them.
EDIT: Prawn's way ahead of me.
God America is so bad to black people thats why we have a black president, black attorney general, black supreme court justice wait a minute........
No you are right America is so good to black people, they are also allowed to play basket! And when do you return to have different fontanels? MLK died of natural death in his bed right? You confuse the hollywood photo op, to look good in front of the world, because US invades foreign countries and kills million civilians to rob oil and other resources, with the reality of the black Americans which evidently are not treated in the same way, or maybe read something about Florida and Bush elections, it will help you to refresh your memory.
you really put me in my place davidegpc. what is a fontanel? man i wish i could ball like lebron i wouldn't be fooling with this chess site.
Future looks bleak for chess with regard cheating I'm afraid. It's only going to get harder to detect cheating as technology advances, miniaturizes further, human/machine interfacing becomes more common, etc. Even now there's under-the-skin transmitters are common. But even non-tech methods aren't that hard to divise - they may need to move players into 'isolation chambers' for real.
How about making it mandatory that tournament players annotate each move they make? Actually maybe hat wouldn't be that hard to fake...
Computers will kill chess off eventually.
I'd comment on the whole racism thing, but seeing as how a Supreme Court justice called my town the most racist in America, I had better not.
Anyway, I personally think that the anti-cheating measures the FIDE takes are a bit too light...
isolation chamber with a toilet/no doors? Is that what you're trying to say?
I didn't quite expect this thread to turn in this direction...
not sure how this nonsense about racism, black presidents, etc.. came up but thanks for the feedback/ideas about the original cheating post!
apologies OnlineChessLessons i found your post interesting and i read post #3 and i felt compelled to respond.
Cheating is a terrible burden in professional chess. Steroids in baseball and point shaving in the NBA come to mind. Hopefully the chess community will take this seriously and this era will be known, in the past tense, as the cheating era.
I think transparant walls (and a transparent toilet would be a nice touch) would be better, and players play in the nudey.
How about you just say from the moment you sit down at the chessboard and play your first move, you are not allowed to leave the board under any circumstances or else you forfeit the match. It works in the school chess tournaments I play in, so why can't it work in world championship matches too?
Considering how people cheat in personal relationships ( and some even brag of their cheating ) and in all other areas of life I dont know why cheating at chess comes as a surprise to anyone. I think a lot of this has to do with the social engineering/experiments on the youth. Teaching there is no right/wrong and bankrupt ideas like "situational ethics " can only lead to such a society ! In criminal fraud cases ( doesnt this always involve money ? ) you can do serious time if convicted. I am all for charging those who cheat in chess ( and other sports/games ) with criminal fraud when it involves large sums of money.
what if I need to pee ?
Gee, let me think... How about banning all electronics, checking with a detector, whenever there's a huge cash prize? And, nobody should be allowed to enter the playing area after the games have started. These simple measures would leave very little room for cheating.
Some games in amateur tournaments go on for 3+ hours and in professional 6+ hours. No bathroom at all seems a wee bit extreme. Also I find that standing up and glancing at other peoples games without leaving the room , using electronic devices etc can help me..
I'm sure they could rig up some kind of suction tube device.
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