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Do you think chess and mathematics are related?

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Stevie65
windows96 wrote:
Stevie65 wrote:

Ye....A swimming pool is 25m long and yeh deep but you don't think about that while your swimming.

what has that have to do with chess and mathetmatics?

 

You don't think mathematics when your playing chess. 

Radical_Drift

I would say that mathematics and chess are indeed related, at least roughly in the sense that both require problem solving abilities.

AndyClifton

And that's what I call "roughly." Wink

Stevie65

Hey andy.. Neils Armstrong has just dyed..He was a good mathematician.

AndyClifton

Well, I know he could count backwards from 10. Smile

Stevie65

Ye i just thought i'de mention it..I've just seen it on the news.  Bad crack..God speed Neil.............Frown

Mr_Spocky

NO

AndyClifton

Some people just can't handle bad news...

netzach

One day...

Man will land on the moon.

Stevie65

The bobble on top of the pawn...

AndyClifton

So that's what that little round thingie is called!

Stevie65

Bibble bobble wick

MyCowsCanFly

"You must lead your opponent into a deep, dark forest where 2+2=5, and the path leading out is only wide enough for one." - Tal

I don't think this opinion was shaped by being digitally challenged. 

By the by, I'm proud we faked a landing on the moon before the Soviets faked a landing on the moon.

Stevie65

But i seen it on tele.

madhacker

I don't know a huge amount about maths, but I think it's a fair assumption that if a mathematician is working out some equations, and he makes a mistake and messes it up, he can always step back and try again.

If the chess player makes a mistake, there is no second chance, he loses.

It's a feature that sets chess apart from a lot of things, the brutality of it. One bad mistake and you've had it, regardless of how well you did beforehand. Even in other sports, in most cases if you concede a goal, point, whatever, there's a chance to recover it. In chess, there often isn't.

AndyClifton
madhacker wrote:

I don't know a huge amount about maths...

He doesn't even know how to spell it.

Boheme

As somewhat pointed out by Hofstader in Godel, Escher, Bach, there are two things that chess masters and mathematicians have in common: instinct. A well-known experiment found that chess grandmasters don't calculate much more than the layman; instead, they instinctively know what moves are interesting and can regonize the ideas of chess effectively. In a similar way, mathematicians can instinctively know what ideas will lead to a proof of a theorem, and recognize where a flow of thought is going.

madhacker

Surely that sort of intuitive knowledge would develop with extensive study of any field, and isn't exclusive to the two things you mention? Intuition is chess is really just a subconscious form of pattern recognition, and so the more chess you have played and the more patterns you have seen, the more honed your intuition becomes. I imagine the same would be true in a lot of disciplines.

Tantale

Both  parents of Jan Timman were mathematicians.

He's seen as one of the last romantics in the chess world. At the board the player from Amsterdam was a brilliant strategist. He dominated chess in The Netherlands so much, that he became synonym for it, and thus a worthy successor of former World Champion Max Euwe. Away from the board, he was a pleasant bon-vivant who enjoyed life to the max. (...) A true grandmaster in what he did and knew, who combined talent with genious.

In 1982 Timman was 2nd in the world rankings with 2655, behind World Champion Anatoly Karpov (2700). Three years later Kasparov surpassed the two, but Timman was stlll third. There was no doubt anymore: Timman was Best of the West.

zborg
AndyClifton wrote:
madhacker wrote:

I don't know a huge amount about maths...

He doesn't even know how to spell it.

There's a similar problem with "hospital."   Seems no one is ever IN the hospital.  Smile