Slow but fast - No Vacation

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Posted by TadDude on Monday, Jul 27 at 7:01pm

And they're off. Time to separate the hares from the tortoises.

After approximately eight hours the first player to advance (unofficially) is aabbccdd.

Good games to all.

TD: TadDude Started on Jul 27, 2009 @ 10:23am

Players: 100   Time Control: 14 days/move
Max Group Size: 2   Rating Range: Open
# Advance: 1   Tie Breaks: No
Points Available: 331   Games Rated: Yes
Max Avg Time/Move: 12 hours


47% COMPLETE!
Tournament Stats
Starting Players: 100 Completed Games: 97 (tournament is 47% complete)
Eliminated Round 1: 36 (36% of field) Games in Round 1: 100 (97% completed)
Players Withdrawn: 4 (4%) # Timeouts: 8 (8%)
Remaining Players: 64 (64%) Remaining Games: 3 (current round)
Average Rating: 1661 Biggest Upset: 1677 defeats 2159

Outwit, outplay and out last. Emphasis on the out last.

This is a "No Vacation" tournament!

 

Tournament Conditions

Slow: 14 days/move and less than 50% of players eliminated per round.

Note: The tie break setting is "No". The tie break does not work in a group of two anyway.

Fast: Both games per opponent start immediately, Max Avg Time/Move of 12 hours and no vacation.

Auto-Start when registration is full.

 

Tournament Duration:

Estimated number of rounds: Eight - May Tournament, 1st Reg Reg Quick Knockout (1201-1600) and FASTEST OPEN KO EVER.

 

Estimated length of each round: 6 to 12 months

These one-round tournaments, with vacation, have finished:

regulars - 2008 09 09 to 2009 07 09 - 10 months

World U1500 Chess Tournament Championship -  2008 12 07 to 2009 07 15 - 7 months 1 week

The Slow Tournament - 2008 12 27 to 2009 07 21 - 6 months 3 weeks

As of 2009 07 26 these one-round examples, with vacation, are almost complete: Started 2008 Sep 222008 Dec 072008 Dec 8.

As of 2009 07 26 this two-round example, with vacation, is almost complete: Started 2008 Aug 08

 

Registration Restrictions

Max Avg Time/Move: 12 Hours

Minimum games completed: 50

Maximum timeouts: 10%


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Comments:

by Scarblac - 19 days ago
Arnhem Netherlands
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 1822

Relax, the estimate was that each round was going to take 6-12 months. It's only been 4 so far. I think there's a decent chance the round is going to finish ahead of schedule!

by Kacparov - 25 days ago
Torun Poland
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 6548

I knew it was going to take so long. Some of my games also take so long because my opponents won't move. But if there are so little games left, the people could really hurry up a bit. They play much slower than 12 hours/move.

by TadDude - 25 days ago
Canada
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 996

kacparov wrote

"yawn"

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I suppose you did not believe when I advised you it would be a 4 to 8 year tournament.

by TadDude - 25 days ago
Canada
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 996

shajian wrote

When is the first round going to be completed???

If this is the case, this tournament is going to last for years!!!

Looks like the players have decided to make moves in the last minutes. Really boring!!!

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The tournament description indicates this. "Estimated length of each round: 6 to 12 months"

Based on the examples cited in the description, approximately 2 to 8 months remain in the round.

by Kacparov - 26 days ago
Torun Poland
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 6548

yawn

by neamircea - 26 days ago
Bucuresti Romania
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 227

Games in Round 1: 100 (94% completed)

so 6 more games to finish :)

by shajian - 26 days ago
Thrissur, Kerala India
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 109

When is the first round going to be completed???

If this is the case, this tournament is going to last for years!!!

Looks like the players have decided to make moves in the last minutes. Really boring!!!

by TadDude - 2 months ago
Canada
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 996

Players are sorted according to rating.

At the start of the tournament with 100 players, the groups were 1 vs. 51, 2 vs. 52, ..., 49 vs. 99 and 50 vs. 100.

The same process is used in subsequent rounds using the players' ratings at the start of the round.

If there is an odd number of players, the one whose rating is exactly in the middle gets a bye.

by andyquiz822 - 2 months ago
Cebu City Philippines
Member Since: May 2009
Member Points: 6

@ TadDude

     Thank you for the explaination! another opponent or the same?

by TadDude - 2 months ago
Canada
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 996

@ andyquiz822

When both players score one point they both advance. The second round will start when all games in round one are complete. While you wait you can join another member-created tournament.

by andyquiz822 - 2 months ago
Cebu City Philippines
Member Since: May 2009
Member Points: 6

howabout my game w/ martin760 can we still play the 2nd round? Just asking!

by Scarblac - 2 months ago
Arnhem Netherlands
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 1822

All games are past the 10th move!

by TadDude - 4 months ago
Canada
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 996

grey_pieces wrote "Although it's difficult to make any real time projection here, isn't it? Because the real length of the tournament is likely to depend on the number of drawn scorelines, esp. in the earlier rounds. Theoretically, at least, this could run perpetually!"

A tournament with groups of two can be unpredictable. All it takes is one upset win out of two games for the underdog to advance. Assuming the higher rated player wins the other, both advance.

In later rounds the higher rated players start to pair up and the underdog is not too differently rated from the higher rated player. So there should be a few groups where players split the games and both advance.

Theoretically when only a few players remain, say four or three, they could abandon the site. The tournament would never end.

This is an admittedly rare example where the players kept trying but it took five rounds to declare a winner in a four-player tournament where there were groups of two.

by grey_pieces - 4 months ago
England Great Britain
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 837

@TadDude - I agree, to an extent... of course it would be ridiculous to allow vacation time in a tournament like this. But I was merely saying that 14days/move will necessitate a long tournament anyway, as kacparov appeared unconvinced of the likely longevity of this format.

In all, I think this is a better way though. In the past I have seen auto-timeout abused in such a way that winning positions are lost on time by people who simply wanted to play the position out, but whose opponents have understood the nuances of timing better.

Although it's difficult to make any real time projection here, isn't it? Because the real length of the tournament is likely to depend on the number of drawn scorelines, esp. in the earlier rounds. Theoretically, at least, this could run perpetually!

by Kacparov - 4 months ago
Torun Poland
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 6548

2 days passed, already 5 people qualified!

by kid_of_chess - 4 months ago
Ottawa,Ontario Canada
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 5685

off to a flying start - hooray!

by redsoxfan33 - 4 months ago
United States
Member Since: May 2009
Member Points: 909

two more!!!!!!

by TadDude - 4 months ago
Canada
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 996

@ grey_pieces

The "No Vacation" setting benefits a 14 days/move tournament greatly.

Some players invoke auto-timeout protection daily. This has the most effect on a 14 days per move game which would be delayed 14 or more times each move. With "No Vacation" the clock continues counting down and the game gets attention.

by Kacparov - 4 months ago
Torun Poland
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 6548

Both advance.

by grey_pieces - 4 months ago
England Great Britain
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 837

No, this one will take ages... peoples usual "average move" time generally ceases to apply in tournaments. 14 days per move is the key... who needs vacation time to stall when you can make your opponent wait 2 weeks for each reply?

That said, some of your personal rounds may go very quickly... I'll play both games right through in one sitting if you get me...

...what happens in this format with a 1-1 scoreline, do both players advance?

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