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4 - End of Round 3 Report

Posted by TadDude on Saturday, Aug 27 at 3:24pm

83 players eliminated, 16 to go.

Timeouts in round 3: 11 of 26 (42.3%)

Timeouts in tournament so far: 41 of 178 (23.0%)

Duration of round 3: 2011 03 10 to 2011 08 27 = 170 days

Duration of tournament so far: 2009 07 27 to 2011 08 27 = 761 days

Average duration of the 3 completed rounds: 761/3 = 253.7 days

Estimated number of rounds: 8

Estimated duration of tournament: 761/3 days times 8 rounds = 2029 days (2015 02 15).

TD: TadDude Started on Jul 27, 2009 @ 10:23am

Players: 100   Time Control: 14 days/move
Max Group Size: 2   Rating Range: Open
# Advance: 1   Tie Breaks: No
Points Available: 317   Games Rated: Yes

This is a "No Vacation" tournament!
Max Avg Time/Move: 12 hours


87% COMPLETE!
Tournament Stats
Starting Players: 100 Completed Games: 190 (tournament is 87% complete)
Eliminated Round 1: 38 (38% of field) Games in Round 1: 100
Eliminated Round 2: 24 (24% of field) Games in Round 2: 52
Eliminated Round 3: 9 (9% of field) Games in Round 3: 26
Eliminated Round 4: 5 (5% of field) Games in Round 4: 16 (75% completed)
Players Withdrawn: 16 (16%) # Timeouts: 43 (22%)
Remaining Players: 24 (24%) Remaining Games: 4 (current round)
Average Rating: 1590 Biggest Upset: 1677 defeats 2159

Outwit, outplay and out last. Emphasis on the out last.

This is a "No Vacation" tournament!

 

Tournament Conditions

Slow: 14 days/move and less than 50% of players eliminated per round.

Note: The tie break setting is "No". The tie break does not work in a group of two anyway.

Fast: Both games per opponent start immediately, Max Avg Time/Move of 12 hours and no vacation.

Auto-Start when registration is full.

 

Tournament Duration:

Estimated number of rounds: Eight - May Tournament, 1st Reg Reg Quick Knockout (1201-1600) and FASTEST OPEN KO EVER.

 

Estimated length of each round: 6 to 12 months

These one-round tournaments, with vacation, have finished:

regulars - 2008 09 09 to 2009 07 09 - 10 months

World U1500 Chess Tournament Championship -  2008 12 07 to 2009 07 15 - 7 months 1 week

The Slow Tournament - 2008 12 27 to 2009 07 21 - 6 months 3 weeks

As of 2009 07 26 these one-round examples, with vacation, are almost complete: Started 2008 Sep 222008 Dec 072008 Dec 8.

As of 2009 07 26 this two-round example, with vacation, is almost complete: Started 2008 Aug 08

 

Registration Restrictions

Max Avg Time/Move: 12 Hours

Minimum games completed: 50

Maximum timeouts: 10%


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Comments:

by andyquiz822 - 2 years ago
Cebu City Philippines
Member Since: May 2009
Member Points: 9

@  TadTude

thank you for the explaination!

by Scarblac - 2 years ago
Arnhem Netherlands
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 2009

Relax, the estimate was that each round was going to take 6-12 months. It's only been 4 so far. I think there's a decent chance the round is going to finish ahead of schedule!

by FM Kacparov - 2 years ago
Torun Poland
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 22046

I knew it was going to take so long. Some of my games also take so long because my opponents won't move. But if there are so little games left, the people could really hurry up a bit. They play much slower than 12 hours/move.

by TadDude - 2 years ago
Canada
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 3658

kacparov wrote

"yawn"

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I suppose you did not believe when I advised you it would be a 4 to 8 year tournament.

by TadDude - 2 years ago
Canada
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 3658

shajian wrote

When is the first round going to be completed???

If this is the case, this tournament is going to last for years!!!

Looks like the players have decided to make moves in the last minutes. Really boring!!!

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The tournament description indicates this. "Estimated length of each round: 6 to 12 months"

Based on the examples cited in the description, approximately 2 to 8 months remain in the round.

by FM Kacparov - 2 years ago
Torun Poland
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 22046

yawn

by neamircea - 2 years ago
Gauteng (and Bucuresti, Romania) South Africa
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 448

Games in Round 1: 100 (94% completed)

so 6 more games to finish :)

by shajian - 2 years ago
Thrissur, Kerala India
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 2227

When is the first round going to be completed???

If this is the case, this tournament is going to last for years!!!

Looks like the players have decided to make moves in the last minutes. Really boring!!!

by TadDude - 2 years ago
Canada
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 3658

Players are sorted according to rating.

At the start of the tournament with 100 players, the groups were 1 vs. 51, 2 vs. 52, ..., 49 vs. 99 and 50 vs. 100.

The same process is used in subsequent rounds using the players' ratings at the start of the round.

If there is an odd number of players, the one whose rating is exactly in the middle gets a bye.

by andyquiz822 - 2 years ago
Cebu City Philippines
Member Since: May 2009
Member Points: 9

@ TadDude

     Thank you for the explaination! another opponent or the same?

by TadDude - 2 years ago
Canada
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 3658

@ andyquiz822

When both players score one point they both advance. The second round will start when all games in round one are complete. While you wait you can join another member-created tournament.

by andyquiz822 - 2 years ago
Cebu City Philippines
Member Since: May 2009
Member Points: 9

howabout my game w/ martin760 can we still play the 2nd round? Just asking!

by Scarblac - 2 years ago
Arnhem Netherlands
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 2009

All games are past the 10th move!

by TadDude - 2 years ago
Canada
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 3658

grey_pieces wrote "Although it's difficult to make any real time projection here, isn't it? Because the real length of the tournament is likely to depend on the number of drawn scorelines, esp. in the earlier rounds. Theoretically, at least, this could run perpetually!"

A tournament with groups of two can be unpredictable. All it takes is one upset win out of two games for the underdog to advance. Assuming the higher rated player wins the other, both advance.

In later rounds the higher rated players start to pair up and the underdog is not too differently rated from the higher rated player. So there should be a few groups where players split the games and both advance.

Theoretically when only a few players remain, say four or three, they could abandon the site. The tournament would never end.

This is an admittedly rare example where the players kept trying but it took five rounds to declare a winner in a four-player tournament where there were groups of two.

by grey_pieces - 2 years ago
England Great Britain
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 841

@TadDude - I agree, to an extent... of course it would be ridiculous to allow vacation time in a tournament like this. But I was merely saying that 14days/move will necessitate a long tournament anyway, as kacparov appeared unconvinced of the likely longevity of this format.

In all, I think this is a better way though. In the past I have seen auto-timeout abused in such a way that winning positions are lost on time by people who simply wanted to play the position out, but whose opponents have understood the nuances of timing better.

Although it's difficult to make any real time projection here, isn't it? Because the real length of the tournament is likely to depend on the number of drawn scorelines, esp. in the earlier rounds. Theoretically, at least, this could run perpetually!

by FM Kacparov - 2 years ago
Torun Poland
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 22046

2 days passed, already 5 people qualified!

by kid_of_chess - 2 years ago
Ottawa,Ontario Canada
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 7426

off to a flying start - hooray!

by redsoxfan33 - 2 years ago
United States
Member Since: May 2009
Member Points: 913

two more!!!!!!

by TadDude - 2 years ago
Canada
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 3658

@ grey_pieces

The "No Vacation" setting benefits a 14 days/move tournament greatly.

Some players invoke auto-timeout protection daily. This has the most effect on a 14 days per move game which would be delayed 14 or more times each move. With "No Vacation" the clock continues counting down and the game gets attention.

by FM Kacparov - 2 years ago
Torun Poland
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 22046

Both advance.

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