Propositions for definition of rules: Eligibility, Guest Players, etc.

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1) Regarding guest players for REAL clubs league, I think you must make strict rules about guest players.
Rule#1 I propose that each club can use only 1 guest player to participate in match for each 10 tables per match.
Rule #2 Club can register up to 10% guest players of total players registered for a REAL club participating in REAL club league.
Rule #3 You must define a rule how clubs will prove that players competing for a club are really memers of that REAL chess club.

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I like the rule except maybe with a bigger number of guest players

Avatar of SamCopeland

I tweaked the topic to be more specific to the question raised Look forward to hearing your thoughts!

Our current intentions are to allow ANY player to play for a club, but they can only play for one club per season. If they later play for another club, those games are forfeit.

We think it is essentially impossible to figure out which players are "guests" and would consider that clubs are free to recruit anyone who feels some connection to the club, but we are happy to hear thoughts.

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Regarding proof that chess club really exist in a REAL world, please make strict definition of what is a chess club.
If you miss that key point, we will get bunch of fictional chess clubs where players even never played in a same chess club, so visionary idea to make world club league would lost essential value.

Quote for eligibility:
https://www.chess.com/news/view/chess-com-clubs-league-essential-info#Eligibility
"The Chess.com Clubs League is open to Chess.com/clubs representing chess clubs around the world. To participate, clubs must have both an in-person component (regular meetings) and a Chess.com/club presence."

I am aware of a fact and personally support that in a best interest of chess.com and all players is that to have as much as possible number of competing chess clubs in a future REAL clubs league.
Having that on mind, in a REAL clubs league should be eligibile to compete, chess clubs must fulfill this rules:
A) Chess clubs that can prove that are competing in national league of any rank of their country.
B) Chess clubs that are NOT competing in a national league of any rank of their country, BUT can prove club presence in REAL world.
C) Chess schools that can prove there presence in REAL world.
D) Other chess groups that can provide relevant proof of presence in REAL world.

Honestly I hope that admins could agree with me that any chess club
defined at point B, C and D can hardly have stronger teams comparing to chess club defined at point A.

All competing clubs must provide all proofs determined by a Rules, so fair play is not under question.
BR,
Simon
Chess club "Politika" Belgrade, Serbia

Avatar of Kookaburrra

How do you define a guest player and how can they be identified and counted.  

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There is no club national league in America that I know of

Avatar of HouseOfDurin
SamCopeland wrote:

Our current intentions are to allow ANY player to play for a club, but they can only play for one club per season. If they later play for another club, those games are forfeit.

We think it is essentially impossible to figure out which players are "guests" and would consider that clubs are free to recruit anyone who feels some connection to the club, but we are happy to hear thoughts.

If you allow ANY player to play for any club, at the end you have fictional chess club, so REAL component that you point out is obsolete.

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Kookaburrra wrote:

How do you define a guest player and how can they be identified and counted.  

known as "ringers" in OTB world.

i have to say, the thought of this league has already gone downhill if we're talking about bringing ringers in. As far as i can see, some clubs don't actually appear to be clubs, but federations. Before we know it, there'll be a complete free for all...

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How do we know if our opponents players are legitimate real life OTB players of their club.  How are they counted and identified.  
Eg for world leagues and world cities leagues here foreign flags are counted.  Even that isn’t indicative as Australia is very multicultural and I play someone face to face here in my local club with an Indian flag on their profile.  We have dual citizens here.  And we have argued against such rules.  

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Kookaburrra wrote:

How do you define a guest player and how can they be identified and counted.  

My proposition is to get a list of registered players from national chess federation or list of players from a last few competitions / cup / league. Other players should count as guests.

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People may not want to lose their anonymity here.  That’s an issue.  

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durin wrote:
Kookaburrra wrote:

How do you define a guest player and how can they be identified and counted.  

My proposition is to get a list of registered players from national chess federation or list of players from a last few competitions / cup / league. Other players should count as guests.

That is important for titled or stronger players, otherwise anyone can make a dream-team or call 10 guests with FIDE rating 2300+, but thats not a chess club applied for competition, right? It is not too much important for low rated or non-rated players to be identified. 

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Sounds messy. 

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Kookaburrra wrote:

People may not want to lose their anonymity here.  That’s an issue.  

I think thats not an issue, everybody should provide real name when registering for Clubs league, and after that only admins know true identity, but fair-play is not in danger.

Avatar of Kookaburrra

It is easy for you a titled player to say that.  Not so much for the rest of us.  

Avatar of StealthNight

But you guys are missing the point. It is impossible to regulate who is guest and who isnt.

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Agree 

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StealthNight wrote:

But you guys are missing the point. It is impossible to regulate who is guest and who isnt.

it also seems that it's impossible to regulate what an OTB club is...

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gambit-man wrote:
StealthNight wrote:

But you guys are missing the point. It is impossible to regulate who is guest and who isnt.

it also seems that it's impossible to regulate what an OTB club is...

not really...

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I am setting up OTB club fixtures here and we do know who is a member within our club and check who joins.  But it is confidential information and not for broadcast to the site.  We’d need everyone’s permission for that.  We have privacy laws here.  

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