Drawing

Hi everyone,

There have been many controversies with drawing.

What does everyone think the solution should be?

1. 30-move rule

2. 3pts for win, 1pt for draw, 0pts for loss

3. No draw rule (if a draw occurs, then players restart with same time and different colors)

4. Other

Please comment on what would be best (your opinion)

PLEASE DO NOT BE OFF TOPIC

Here is a game from the 1800s that people used to play to get a 30-move draw (the immortal draw)

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1250160 

There is a forced perpetual for the opening the Ruy Lopez for black... Does anyone know it?

Please write back,

Chessdragonboge

Actually I think in that game 11. Kb5 wins.

Howdy,

for starters, you could educate yourself about what the Ruy Lopez is- because you have no idea.

After learning a couple of elementary things about the game (if ever), please feel free to come back with some ideas about rule changes, and such.

Regards.

wth dude i know what the ruy lopez is my rating is 1900

im pretty good at drawing especially manga

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruy_Lopez

Does it look anywhere close to what you've posted?

Phren, I think he was saying: here is a game from the 1800s that was a draw, and there is also a forced drawing line for Black in some line of the Ruy.

But I may have misunderstood

yes thx

There are no forced draws in the Ruy, or pretty much any mainstream opening. Some Ruy mainlines, like the Marshall may be "a draw" in correspondence chess (with book and engine aid), but for class chess this is of no importance. You may argue about some line like the well-known "Zaitsev draw" (1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 d6 8.c3 0-0 9.h3 Bb7 10.d4 Re8 11.Ng5 Rf8 12.Nf3 Re8 etc, but this is hardly a "forced draw"- both White, and Black can deviate.

But OK, I will use your example. Here is a GM game, both players have passed 2600 at some point in their career:

First, this silly, ancient line is not a forced draw- as you have been told already. And, more important, this was not a real game, but rather a pre-arranged draw (Banikas was training under Nikolaidis for quite some time, and to my knowledge they NEVER play against each other. Factly, in their games they have one win each (when they did not have any friendly, or professional relationship yet) and 24 draws.

I'm sorry, but there is no way to ban prearranged draws by using ANY Sofia, Buzumbura, Peking, or "name-your-favorite-town-here" rules.

no its not forced its just theory that leads to a perpetual

It is just an ancient, flawed game, and with best play IT DOES NOT LEAD TO A PERPETUAL.

Can you understand it, or I'm asking too much?

ok im saying my ruy lopez game is

and btw, where do either of the players in the old game go wrong?