Is "Rapid" the New "Classical?

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D_S_Oliver

Classic chess will likely slowly die out, but do not think that bullet chess will ever become the "new classical". Both of these are extremes.

 

I believe that we will reach a point where 1-hour or 30-minute each would be the new "standard" playing. Well, in fact in my country pretty much all tournaments (by the state federation) are 15+10 already. Not saying I like it, but that's how it is.

 

For me, 1-hour is enough, 30 minutes is good, and 15 is too fast to learn much from a game.

 

There's also another thing. The more you play chess, the better you become and recognizing patterns you've seen before, usually  more and more quickly. In my opinion, only very high rated players should play blitz or bullet, since they will make less blunders and the game will still be interesting. A 2000 or less playing bullet seems to me just a blunderfest, or a "tactical mess" as Jengaias use to say. There is no "beauty" to it.

 

Let's imagine if soccer (a favorite sport in my country) suddenly had a time limit of 10 minutes per match. It would become extremely aggressive and we would miss on many well-prepared moves and tactics we see today. This is with any sport. The only difference is that with chess, less time assures a winner, while in the other sports usually it assures a draw. However, my analogy is just comparing that watching well-prepared tactics in any sport or game requires time and careful preparation. The less time, the worst it becomes. A street painter could paint your image for 10 bucks, but if he had some days, wouldn't it become more vivid, more colourful and more interesting?

 

Of course, you can buy a street drawing or painting and say "I love paintings, that's what's paintings are all about, why waste so much time adding details when street paintings is what the public likes and can afford?"

 

Sadly, majority rule is just the rule of the ignorant masses and shallow parts of mankind. Yes, that applies to (fake) "representative democracy" too and will likely become something more refined in the future (as with was with many others forms of government).

 

However, majority is what makes consumism and capitalism thrive, so as long as we have this wild form of capitalism who needs to sell as much as it can to as many as possible, and the faster it is more profit can be made, chess events will definitely tend to become faster (again, there's always a drawing line).

 

However, there's always an optimistic point of view. It might mean that we humans are becoming more and more "adapted" at thinking and seeing patterns and logic. Maybe our brains as a whole are becoming faster processors than the ones of people born 500 hundred years ago. Maybe rapid chess helps select the faster and faster thinkers.

SeniorPatzer

Burguulkudar:  "I believe that we will reach a point where 1-hour or 30-minute each would be the new "standard" playing. Well, in fact in my country pretty much all tournaments (by the state federation) are 15+10 already. Not saying I like it, but that's how it is."

 

Very informative post, Burguulkudar!  Thanks for sharing what's going on in Brazil, which is indeed a country crazy for soccer.  So many great players there, from Pele to Ronaldo, etc.  However, my most vivid thoughts of Brazilian soccer is the 7-1 victory by Germany over Brazil.  That was just unbelievable.  Sorry that I had to bring that up.  It just got a lot of tv play here in the U.S.A. when it happened.

 

But to your point, it is what it is.  I'll go along because I still want to play competitively.  But man, it will have to alter one's game to accommodate the faster time controls, at least it will mine.

D_S_Oliver
SeniorPatzer wrote:

Burguulkudar:  "I believe that we will reach a point where 1-hour or 30-minute each would be the new "standard" playing. Well, in fact in my country pretty much all tournaments (by the state federation) are 15+10 already. Not saying I like it, but that's how it is."

 

Very informative post, Burguulkudar!  Thanks for sharing what's going on in Brazil, which is indeed a country crazy for soccer.  So many great players there, from Pele to Ronaldo, etc.  However, my most vivid thoughts of Brazilian soccer is the 7-1 victory by Germany over Brazil.  That was just unbelievable.  Sorry that I had to bring that up.  It just got a lot of tv play here in the U.S.A. when it happened.

 

But to your point, it is what it is.  I'll go along because I still want to play competitively.  But man, it will have to alter one's game to accommodate the faster time controls, at least it will mine.

 

True, but that's life, always changing some way or another. There's still the Daily Games here on the internet if you want to play slowly just for the fun of it. And SOME tournaments might still have longer controls, they will just be rarer and rarer apart, as more and more old people die and the young ones who were raised playing faster chess controls take up the field.

 

P.s: I hate soccer, so that's fine.

D_S_Oliver

 Yeah, Jengaias, I get that a lot... 

 

(by the way, did you notice I posted my last games in the club?)

D_S_Oliver
jengaias wrote:
Burguulkodar wrote:

 Yeah, Jengaias, I get that a lot... 

 

(by the way, did you notice I posted my last games in the club?)

Yes , I was busy last days and you left me a lot of work to do.

 

Sorry, sorry. Take your time.

 

P.s: I'm a fencer too. Imagine that in Brazil... haha

 

*finishes off-topic*

fightingbob
Burguulkodar wrote:
SeniorPatzer wrote:

Burguulkudar:  "I believe that we will reach a point where 1-hour or 30-minute each would be the new "standard" playing. Well, in fact in my country pretty much all tournaments (by the state federation) are 15+10 already. Not saying I like it, but that's how it is."

Very informative post, Burguulkudar!  Thanks for sharing what's going on in Brazil, which is indeed a country crazy for soccer.  So many great players there, from Pele to Ronaldo, etc.  However, my most vivid thoughts of Brazilian soccer is the 7-1 victory by Germany over Brazil.  That was just unbelievable.  Sorry that I had to bring that up.  It just got a lot of tv play here in the U.S.A. when it happened.

But to your point, it is what it is.  I'll go along because I still want to play competitively.  But man, it will have to alter one's game to accommodate the faster time controls, at least it will mine.

True, but that's life, always changing some way or another. There's still the Daily Games here on the internet if you want to play slowly just for the fun of it. And SOME tournaments might still have longer controls, they will just be rarer and rarer apart, as more and more old people die and the young ones who were raised playing faster chess controls take up the field

P.S: I hate soccer, so that's fine.

I think you have stated the pithy truth in post #85, Mr. Oliveira, and it's a sad one in my opinion. The younger players will not have anything to judge their faster time controls against; in other words, they won't know any better.

I imagine a lot of folks here at Chess.com who care little for the history of the 1972 WCC Fischer-Spassky match except for the mystique surrounding Bobby Fischer don't realize it was contested at 40 moves in 2-1/2 hours with a secondary control of 15 moves in an hour.

Faster controls beg the question, What will happen to the beauty and subtlety of the endgame? Perhaps it will go the direction of figures in figure skating. Practicing figures demanded the skater perfect deep edges and exquisite control that could later be used in a varied, seamless routine. Today its jumps, jumps and more jumps. I'm waiting for the first quintuple jump where the skater screws himself into the ice on landing.

This has happened in more than one sport. The beautiful patterns of straight pool have given way to the more spectacular shot making and necessarily greater cue-ball movement of 9-Ball and 10-Ball (not that these don't have their own beauty when played at the highest level). As far as 3-Cushion Billiards, you have to look to Europe and Asia for that magnificent game.

Tennis used to have more varied play and different strokes in the 1960s and 1970s before technology took center stage and made the fantastic wood-racket skills of a Rod Laver or a John McEnroe obsolete.

My point is you can't stop change, and in that I agree with Uncle_Bent, but by God don't call it progress because more people like it ... and you didn't.

fightingbob

As a bit of self parody.

 

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I was accused of being the player on the left by my best friend when we played each other in the 1970s. Frankly, I didn't have a feel for position, was a tactical neophyte and played at a snail's pace.

It should go without saying that serious study allowed me to narrow the number of candidate moves rather quickly. Practicing Dan Heisman's 1) board vision, 2) visualization and 3) tactical vision also helped as did playing through master and grandmaster games with textual explanations and succinct variations.

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