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Dvoretsky's Endgame or Analytical Manual?

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Waterstriker

I want to buy one of them,but which would be better for me?I can only buy either the Endgame or Analytical Manual.My rating is 1598 in chess.com

Dilshod

I have all Dvoretsky Endgame books, not paper based, pdf. I can send if u want

prem_006

Dvoretsky's books are for players around 1700.If you are looking for a good endgame book then silman's complete endgame course would be ideal

Dilshod

These books can be dowloaded free on internet, so nothing wrong about it 

Gomer_Pyle
Dilshod wrote:

These books can be dowloaded free on internet, so nothing wrong about it 

It is illegal to download them for free, so there is something wrong with it.

Tatzelwurm

Both books are way above the OP's level. Even 1700s (FIDE, not Chess.com rating) will have a hard time to make good use of them.

JogoReal

Long time ago I read from cover to cover the manual on endgames (Endgames Practice) by Ludek Pachman. That is the book I recommend.

adumbrate
Dilshod wrote:

I have all Dvoretsky Endgame books, not paper based, pdf. I can send if u want

i want

Waterstriker

Thanks guys for ur input :), i bought the Endgame Manual and it will be delivered in a few weeks.I read the preview and i can understand the king n pawn endgames so its not so advanced for now

SmyslovFan

Dvoretsky's Endgame Manual (DEM) is the gold standard in endgame instruction. I do believe that a dedicated club player could benefit greatly from studying DEM, but it will take tremendous diligence and hard work. 

Start with the pawn endings and pay special attention to the blue sections. If you memorize the positions that Dvoretsky singles out as essential and never study another opening book in your life, your rating will skyrocket!

As an aside, just because something is available on the internet doesn't mean it's legal. When you buy a new book, you only buy the right to use it for yourself. If you copy the book and give it to others, you are breaking copyright laws.

TheOldReb

How many club players are reaching playable endings ?  Examine your most recent losses , lets say 10 of them .  Be objective/honest and determine when/why you lost the game . Lets say you fell for opening traps in 3 of those 10 losses and in 5 you lost in the middlegame , leaving 2 that you lost in endings . Obviously you need to concentrate on the middlegame most , for now , then the opening and only when you are reaching playable endgames should you spend more time on endings .  This does not mean you dont need to know " basic endings " well , it just means you should leave more serious endgame study for when you are actually reaching playable endings .  If you fall for an opening trap , or get mated in the middlegame it wont matter if you can play endings like Capablanca , you won't get to show it .  

prem_006
Tatzelwurm wrote:

Both books are way above the OP's level. Even 1700s (FIDE, not Chess.com rating) will have a hard time to make good use of them.

i was talking about fide rating not chess.com rating.

adumbrate
Reb wrote:

How many club players are reaching playable endings ?  Examine your most recent losses , lets say 10 of them .  Be objective/honest and determine when/why you lost the game . Lets say you fell for opening traps in 3 of those 10 losses and in 5 you lost in the middlegame , leaving 2 that you lost in endings . Obviously you need to concentrate on the middlegame most , for now , then the opening and only when you are reaching playable endgames should you spend more time on endings .  This does not mean you dont need to know " basic endings " well , it just means you should leave more serious endgame study for when you are actually reaching playable endings .  If you fall for an opening trap , or get mated in the middlegame it wont matter if you can play endings like Capablanca , you won't get to show it .  

Everyone to their own.

MSC157
Reb wrote:

How many club players are reaching playable endings? 

This. Frown In my 5-game OTB career, I only reached an ending once. 

Though, it was R+2P(gh) vs R, quite challenging. Only blundered once. Laughing

shakedaspear

Dvoeretsky's and Fine's are both probably the be-all and end-all books for endgames but as others have said above, how much time do you have to study those? Because that's a ton of study (it's why I passed on both). I'd go for Silman's book instead but as skotheim said above, to each his own. If you got the time, go for Dvoretsky or Fine. If you don't have a ton of time and just want a fantastic primer than can and will develop your endgame skills (while not requiring university-level concentration) then Silman's is the one. Just my two cents.

TheOldReb
skotheim2 wrote:
Reb wrote:

How many club players are reaching playable endings ?  Examine your most recent losses , lets say 10 of them .  Be objective/honest and determine when/why you lost the game . Lets say you fell for opening traps in 3 of those 10 losses and in 5 you lost in the middlegame , leaving 2 that you lost in endings . Obviously you need to concentrate on the middlegame most , for now , then the opening and only when you are reaching playable endgames should you spend more time on endings .  This does not mean you dont need to know " basic endings " well , it just means you should leave more serious endgame study for when you are actually reaching playable endings .  If you fall for an opening trap , or get mated in the middlegame it wont matter if you can play endings like Capablanca , you won't get to show it .  

Everyone to their own.

You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make them drink .  

adumbrate
Reb wrote:
skotheim2 wrote:
Reb wrote:

How many club players are reaching playable endings ?  Examine your most recent losses , lets say 10 of them .  Be objective/honest and determine when/why you lost the game . Lets say you fell for opening traps in 3 of those 10 losses and in 5 you lost in the middlegame , leaving 2 that you lost in endings . Obviously you need to concentrate on the middlegame most , for now , then the opening and only when you are reaching playable endgames should you spend more time on endings .  This does not mean you dont need to know " basic endings " well , it just means you should leave more serious endgame study for when you are actually reaching playable endings .  If you fall for an opening trap , or get mated in the middlegame it wont matter if you can play endings like Capablanca , you won't get to show it .  

Everyone to their own.

You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make them drink .  

Honestly everyone has their own problems with their play, personally endgames is my biggest problem.

TheOldReb

Then you should work on endings if thats your biggest problem .  Improving in chess is about working on the weakest area of your game the most . It doesnt mean you shouldnt work at all on the other areas as well however . 

JogoReal

See my last game in chess.com, it was a very playable endgame. Usually I play many playable endgames. I tend to avoid boring middle-games exchanging them gladly for interesting endgames, it is a question of style of play. But one have to find his way in the endgames to do so. For average amateur players, like myself, the book on endgames I mentioned is the one I reccomend. One can read it from cover to cover, it was wrote to be read like that, others are more like dictionary or enciclopedia.

Waterstriker
Reb wrote:

Then you should work on endings if thats your biggest problem .  Improving in chess is about working on the weakest area of your game the most . It doesnt mean you shouldnt work at all on the other areas as well however . 

In my last few games i have

lost an endgame an exchange ahead as i tried too hard to break my opponents fortress(sacced my rook for his bish)

drawn a clear win with 2 xtra pawns n a powerful passer

and some more i cant remember

 

i usually had a material advantage going to an endgame in 70% my games,but 60% are drawn or lost cause my opponent somehow created his own passer and things get messy or because he had fashioned a cool mating net in a queen n rook endgame soo...im an unusual club player