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lfPatriotGames
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
seasideman wrote:
ghstndshll wrote:

... Western European countries are trying to eradicate the catholic church yet they welcome radical Islam

This is not true.

Progress in the "first world" is only in one direction: greater respect for individuals and their right to be who they want to be.

When my son was in grade school the teachers had to respect the students wishes and their "right to be who they want to be". He thought it was ridiculous so he made an example out of the teachers nonsense. He identified as an Apache attack helicopter. He said he was fast, he could fight, and he always wanted to fly. So he demanded they recognize how he identifies.

And of course, being the lemmings they are, the teacher did exactly that. The teacher had to respect his wishes. All the kids laughed at the teacher so hard and she was so embarrassed she probably suffered some emotional issue. But for the kids the solution was simple. Don't do something stupid and you won't be laughed at.

I'll take 'things that didn't happen' for 500, please

You can bet everything you have if you like. You may not be aware of what's going on in schools these days. And I didn't even mention what the boys did when they found out women's hygiene products were placed in the boys bathroom. If you've ever been around teenage boys, you don't have to wonder too much.

Consider that a daily double.

As a trans woman, I am unfortunately aware of the transphobia and homophobia in schools, and how uneducated cis people can be

I think you may have been misled. Nobody is scared of either persuasion. It's just that when you get a large group of teenage boys, you intentionally subject them to things like women's hygiene products in boys bathrooms, you have to expect a certain predictable result.

No different than when, during class, a student "identifies" as a cat. Or anything else that they clearly are not. Including Apache attack helicopters. There is going to be a very predictable amount of backlash, ridicule, and disruption. Bringing this unwarranted disruption to the attention of the staff, and making an example out of it, is perfectly within the rights of the students.

no one is identifying as a cat or a helicopter

I have no idea. I'm talking about what they identified as a few years ago in our local school system. In Oregon. Right now? I don't know. Maybe they've stopped doing that. But my guess is not much has changed, as evidenced by Oregon law concerning such things.

HelloChessNuts
Hawksteinman wrote:

I'm a trans woman and I just registered for the ECF (English Chess Federation) as a female player. We are women, and so we play in women's categories. It's simple.

I don't have a problem calling you a woman. I don't have a problem accepting you as a woman. But when the level of play meets some threshold point (say 2400) there needs to be a different way to evaluate chess strength other than using gender. We have already introduced women like Hou Yifan into the Tata Steel tournament and Goryachkina with only men. Polgar sisters did this back in the 80s.

So, it is possible to disregard race, religion, and gender to accomplish something. We don't need to join a different category group. Is there a reason why we leave an open section to go to a women's section in that case? I am not talking about a 2000 rated player choosing to join a tournament with only women. I am talking about a 2450 transgender woman switching to women's and then getting a GM title.

Is there a restriction in place? Say the 2450 transgender gets a WGM title. Do they have to play men to earn a GM title? Then, the next thing is, can they play in a tournament with ONLY women who have a GM title (not WGM)?

Then it comes back to the question asked by others, well, if a female GM and a male GM are one in the same as it relates to GM status why not just have an OPEN section for everyone and the transgender WGM would then compete in a tournament with GM players regardless of their gender.

What is the reason to attain a GM title (not WGM) ONLY in a women's section? Why is this necessary?

Hawksteinman
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
seasideman wrote:
ghstndshll wrote:

... Western European countries are trying to eradicate the catholic church yet they welcome radical Islam

This is not true.

Progress in the "first world" is only in one direction: greater respect for individuals and their right to be who they want to be.

When my son was in grade school the teachers had to respect the students wishes and their "right to be who they want to be". He thought it was ridiculous so he made an example out of the teachers nonsense. He identified as an Apache attack helicopter. He said he was fast, he could fight, and he always wanted to fly. So he demanded they recognize how he identifies.

And of course, being the lemmings they are, the teacher did exactly that. The teacher had to respect his wishes. All the kids laughed at the teacher so hard and she was so embarrassed she probably suffered some emotional issue. But for the kids the solution was simple. Don't do something stupid and you won't be laughed at.

I'll take 'things that didn't happen' for 500, please

You can bet everything you have if you like. You may not be aware of what's going on in schools these days. And I didn't even mention what the boys did when they found out women's hygiene products were placed in the boys bathroom. If you've ever been around teenage boys, you don't have to wonder too much.

Consider that a daily double.

As a trans woman, I am unfortunately aware of the transphobia and homophobia in schools, and how uneducated cis people can be

I think you may have been misled. Nobody is scared of either persuasion. It's just that when you get a large group of teenage boys, you intentionally subject them to things like women's hygiene products in boys bathrooms, you have to expect a certain predictable result.

No different than when, during class, a student "identifies" as a cat. Or anything else that they clearly are not. Including Apache attack helicopters. There is going to be a very predictable amount of backlash, ridicule, and disruption. Bringing this unwarranted disruption to the attention of the staff, and making an example out of it, is perfectly within the rights of the students.

no one is identifying as a cat or a helicopter

I have no idea. I'm talking about what they identified as a few years ago in our local school system. In Oregon. Right now? I don't know. Maybe they've stopped doing that. But my guess is not much has changed, as evidenced by Oregon law concerning such things.

No one ever identified that way, although they may have made jokes about it. Unfortunately the lawmakers are uneducated on these issues, and completely ignoring the science and facts, and using these laws as a way to distract from what's actually going on (attacking women's rights, refugees, etc)

Hawksteinman

Luckily the English Chess Federation (and a few others) are not following this stupid policy, and I am registered as a women's player for the ECF (and they are registering me as a woman for FIDE)

lfPatriotGames
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
seasideman wrote:
ghstndshll wrote:

... Western European countries are trying to eradicate the catholic church yet they welcome radical Islam

This is not true.

Progress in the "first world" is only in one direction: greater respect for individuals and their right to be who they want to be.

When my son was in grade school the teachers had to respect the students wishes and their "right to be who they want to be". He thought it was ridiculous so he made an example out of the teachers nonsense. He identified as an Apache attack helicopter. He said he was fast, he could fight, and he always wanted to fly. So he demanded they recognize how he identifies.

And of course, being the lemmings they are, the teacher did exactly that. The teacher had to respect his wishes. All the kids laughed at the teacher so hard and she was so embarrassed she probably suffered some emotional issue. But for the kids the solution was simple. Don't do something stupid and you won't be laughed at.

I'll take 'things that didn't happen' for 500, please

You can bet everything you have if you like. You may not be aware of what's going on in schools these days. And I didn't even mention what the boys did when they found out women's hygiene products were placed in the boys bathroom. If you've ever been around teenage boys, you don't have to wonder too much.

Consider that a daily double.

As a trans woman, I am unfortunately aware of the transphobia and homophobia in schools, and how uneducated cis people can be

I think you may have been misled. Nobody is scared of either persuasion. It's just that when you get a large group of teenage boys, you intentionally subject them to things like women's hygiene products in boys bathrooms, you have to expect a certain predictable result.

No different than when, during class, a student "identifies" as a cat. Or anything else that they clearly are not. Including Apache attack helicopters. There is going to be a very predictable amount of backlash, ridicule, and disruption. Bringing this unwarranted disruption to the attention of the staff, and making an example out of it, is perfectly within the rights of the students.

no one is identifying as a cat or a helicopter

I have no idea. I'm talking about what they identified as a few years ago in our local school system. In Oregon. Right now? I don't know. Maybe they've stopped doing that. But my guess is not much has changed, as evidenced by Oregon law concerning such things.

No one ever identified that way, although they may have made jokes about it. Unfortunately the lawmakers are uneducated on these issues, and completely ignoring the science and facts, and using these laws as a way to distract from what's actually going on (attacking women's rights, refugees, etc)

The jokes were made BECAUSE they identified that way. There is no other reason for ridicule and the backlash. It's ironic that in this instance, it was the students that had to remind the teacher of the science and facts. And remind her that NO, that person is actually NOT a cat. And that person is NOT an Apache attack helicopter, and that person is NOT a male. Teachers should not be science deniers.

Coddiwompler

Alice Cooper calls gender changing treatments for trans kids a ‘Fad,’ condemns ‘the Whole Woke Thing'

Any thoughts on that?

Hawksteinman
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
seasideman wrote:
ghstndshll wrote:

... Western European countries are trying to eradicate the catholic church yet they welcome radical Islam

This is not true.

Progress in the "first world" is only in one direction: greater respect for individuals and their right to be who they want to be.

When my son was in grade school the teachers had to respect the students wishes and their "right to be who they want to be". He thought it was ridiculous so he made an example out of the teachers nonsense. He identified as an Apache attack helicopter. He said he was fast, he could fight, and he always wanted to fly. So he demanded they recognize how he identifies.

And of course, being the lemmings they are, the teacher did exactly that. The teacher had to respect his wishes. All the kids laughed at the teacher so hard and she was so embarrassed she probably suffered some emotional issue. But for the kids the solution was simple. Don't do something stupid and you won't be laughed at.

I'll take 'things that didn't happen' for 500, please

You can bet everything you have if you like. You may not be aware of what's going on in schools these days. And I didn't even mention what the boys did when they found out women's hygiene products were placed in the boys bathroom. If you've ever been around teenage boys, you don't have to wonder too much.

Consider that a daily double.

As a trans woman, I am unfortunately aware of the transphobia and homophobia in schools, and how uneducated cis people can be

I think you may have been misled. Nobody is scared of either persuasion. It's just that when you get a large group of teenage boys, you intentionally subject them to things like women's hygiene products in boys bathrooms, you have to expect a certain predictable result.

No different than when, during class, a student "identifies" as a cat. Or anything else that they clearly are not. Including Apache attack helicopters. There is going to be a very predictable amount of backlash, ridicule, and disruption. Bringing this unwarranted disruption to the attention of the staff, and making an example out of it, is perfectly within the rights of the students.

no one is identifying as a cat or a helicopter

I have no idea. I'm talking about what they identified as a few years ago in our local school system. In Oregon. Right now? I don't know. Maybe they've stopped doing that. But my guess is not much has changed, as evidenced by Oregon law concerning such things.

No one ever identified that way, although they may have made jokes about it. Unfortunately the lawmakers are uneducated on these issues, and completely ignoring the science and facts, and using these laws as a way to distract from what's actually going on (attacking women's rights, refugees, etc)

The jokes were made BECAUSE they identified that way. There is no other reason for ridicule and the backlash. It's ironic that in this instance, it was the students that had to remind the teacher of the science and facts. And remind her that NO, that person is actually NOT a cat. And that person is NOT an Apache attack helicopter, and that person is NOT a male. Teachers should not be science deniers.

trans women are women, trans men are men, non-binary people are non-binary. those are the facts. no-one is a cat or a helicopter, although those transphobic jokes have been around for ages, and everyone is sick and tired of them

Hawksteinman
Coddiwompler wrote:

Alice Cooper calls gender changing surgeries for trans kids a ‘Fad,’ condemns ‘the Whole Woke Thing'

Any thoughts on that?

he's stupid, mainly cos no children are having any of these 'surgeries'

Hawksteinman
Coddiwompler wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
seasideman wrote:
ghstndshll wrote:

... Western European countries are trying to eradicate the catholic church yet they welcome radical Islam

This is not true.

Progress in the "first world" is only in one direction: greater respect for individuals and their right to be who they want to be.

When my son was in grade school the teachers had to respect the students wishes and their "right to be who they want to be". He thought it was ridiculous so he made an example out of the teachers nonsense. He identified as an Apache attack helicopter. He said he was fast, he could fight, and he always wanted to fly. So he demanded they recognize how he identifies.

And of course, being the lemmings they are, the teacher did exactly that. The teacher had to respect his wishes. All the kids laughed at the teacher so hard and she was so embarrassed she probably suffered some emotional issue. But for the kids the solution was simple. Don't do something stupid and you won't be laughed at.

I'll take 'things that didn't happen' for 500, please

You can bet everything you have if you like. You may not be aware of what's going on in schools these days. And I didn't even mention what the boys did when they found out women's hygiene products were placed in the boys bathroom. If you've ever been around teenage boys, you don't have to wonder too much.

Consider that a daily double.

As a trans woman, I am unfortunately aware of the transphobia and homophobia in schools, and how uneducated cis people can be

I think you may have been misled. Nobody is scared of either persuasion. It's just that when you get a large group of teenage boys, you intentionally subject them to things like women's hygiene products in boys bathrooms, you have to expect a certain predictable result.

No different than when, during class, a student "identifies" as a cat. Or anything else that they clearly are not. Including Apache attack helicopters. There is going to be a very predictable amount of backlash, ridicule, and disruption. Bringing this unwarranted disruption to the attention of the staff, and making an example out of it, is perfectly within the rights of the students.

no one is identifying as a cat or a helicopter

I have no idea. I'm talking about what they identified as a few years ago in our local school system. In Oregon. Right now? I don't know. Maybe they've stopped doing that. But my guess is not much has changed, as evidenced by Oregon law concerning such things.

No one ever identified that way, although they may have made jokes about it. Unfortunately the lawmakers are uneducated on these issues, and completely ignoring the science and facts, and using these laws as a way to distract from what's actually going on (attacking women's rights, refugees, etc)

The jokes were made BECAUSE they identified that way. There is no other reason for ridicule and the backlash. It's ironic that in this instance, it was the students that had to remind the teacher of the science and facts. And remind her that NO, that person is actually NOT a cat. And that person is NOT an Apache attack helicopter, and that person is NOT a male. Teachers should not be science deniers.

trans women are women, trans men are men, non-binary people are non-binary. those are the facts. no-one is a cat or a helicopter, although those transphobic jokes have been around for ages, and everyone is sick and tired of them

So, if someone says he is a cat, he is not a cat, but a man who says he is a woman, is actually a woman?

if someone says they are a woman, they are a woman. I am a woman

Coddiwompler
Hawksteinman wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
seasideman wrote:
ghstndshll wrote:

... Western European countries are trying to eradicate the catholic church yet they welcome radical Islam

This is not true.

Progress in the "first world" is only in one direction: greater respect for individuals and their right to be who they want to be.

When my son was in grade school the teachers had to respect the students wishes and their "right to be who they want to be". He thought it was ridiculous so he made an example out of the teachers nonsense. He identified as an Apache attack helicopter. He said he was fast, he could fight, and he always wanted to fly. So he demanded they recognize how he identifies.

And of course, being the lemmings they are, the teacher did exactly that. The teacher had to respect his wishes. All the kids laughed at the teacher so hard and she was so embarrassed she probably suffered some emotional issue. But for the kids the solution was simple. Don't do something stupid and you won't be laughed at.

I'll take 'things that didn't happen' for 500, please

You can bet everything you have if you like. You may not be aware of what's going on in schools these days. And I didn't even mention what the boys did when they found out women's hygiene products were placed in the boys bathroom. If you've ever been around teenage boys, you don't have to wonder too much.

Consider that a daily double.

As a trans woman, I am unfortunately aware of the transphobia and homophobia in schools, and how uneducated cis people can be

I think you may have been misled. Nobody is scared of either persuasion. It's just that when you get a large group of teenage boys, you intentionally subject them to things like women's hygiene products in boys bathrooms, you have to expect a certain predictable result.

No different than when, during class, a student "identifies" as a cat. Or anything else that they clearly are not. Including Apache attack helicopters. There is going to be a very predictable amount of backlash, ridicule, and disruption. Bringing this unwarranted disruption to the attention of the staff, and making an example out of it, is perfectly within the rights of the students.

no one is identifying as a cat or a helicopter

I have no idea. I'm talking about what they identified as a few years ago in our local school system. In Oregon. Right now? I don't know. Maybe they've stopped doing that. But my guess is not much has changed, as evidenced by Oregon law concerning such things.

No one ever identified that way, although they may have made jokes about it. Unfortunately the lawmakers are uneducated on these issues, and completely ignoring the science and facts, and using these laws as a way to distract from what's actually going on (attacking women's rights, refugees, etc)

The jokes were made BECAUSE they identified that way. There is no other reason for ridicule and the backlash. It's ironic that in this instance, it was the students that had to remind the teacher of the science and facts. And remind her that NO, that person is actually NOT a cat. And that person is NOT an Apache attack helicopter, and that person is NOT a male. Teachers should not be science deniers.

trans women are women, trans men are men, non-binary people are non-binary. those are the facts. no-one is a cat or a helicopter, although those transphobic jokes have been around for ages, and everyone is sick and tired of them

So, if someone says he is a cat, he is not a cat, but a man who says he is a woman, is actually a woman?

if someone says they are a woman, they are a woman. I am a woman

By your logic, if I say I am a cat, I am a cat and I should be allowed to play in chess tournaments as a cat.

Got is, then you for clarification.

Hawksteinman
Coddiwompler wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
seasideman wrote:
ghstndshll wrote:

... Western European countries are trying to eradicate the catholic church yet they welcome radical Islam

This is not true.

Progress in the "first world" is only in one direction: greater respect for individuals and their right to be who they want to be.

When my son was in grade school the teachers had to respect the students wishes and their "right to be who they want to be". He thought it was ridiculous so he made an example out of the teachers nonsense. He identified as an Apache attack helicopter. He said he was fast, he could fight, and he always wanted to fly. So he demanded they recognize how he identifies.

And of course, being the lemmings they are, the teacher did exactly that. The teacher had to respect his wishes. All the kids laughed at the teacher so hard and she was so embarrassed she probably suffered some emotional issue. But for the kids the solution was simple. Don't do something stupid and you won't be laughed at.

I'll take 'things that didn't happen' for 500, please

You can bet everything you have if you like. You may not be aware of what's going on in schools these days. And I didn't even mention what the boys did when they found out women's hygiene products were placed in the boys bathroom. If you've ever been around teenage boys, you don't have to wonder too much.

Consider that a daily double.

As a trans woman, I am unfortunately aware of the transphobia and homophobia in schools, and how uneducated cis people can be

I think you may have been misled. Nobody is scared of either persuasion. It's just that when you get a large group of teenage boys, you intentionally subject them to things like women's hygiene products in boys bathrooms, you have to expect a certain predictable result.

No different than when, during class, a student "identifies" as a cat. Or anything else that they clearly are not. Including Apache attack helicopters. There is going to be a very predictable amount of backlash, ridicule, and disruption. Bringing this unwarranted disruption to the attention of the staff, and making an example out of it, is perfectly within the rights of the students.

no one is identifying as a cat or a helicopter

I have no idea. I'm talking about what they identified as a few years ago in our local school system. In Oregon. Right now? I don't know. Maybe they've stopped doing that. But my guess is not much has changed, as evidenced by Oregon law concerning such things.

No one ever identified that way, although they may have made jokes about it. Unfortunately the lawmakers are uneducated on these issues, and completely ignoring the science and facts, and using these laws as a way to distract from what's actually going on (attacking women's rights, refugees, etc)

The jokes were made BECAUSE they identified that way. There is no other reason for ridicule and the backlash. It's ironic that in this instance, it was the students that had to remind the teacher of the science and facts. And remind her that NO, that person is actually NOT a cat. And that person is NOT an Apache attack helicopter, and that person is NOT a male. Teachers should not be science deniers.

trans women are women, trans men are men, non-binary people are non-binary. those are the facts. no-one is a cat or a helicopter, although those transphobic jokes have been around for ages, and everyone is sick and tired of them

So, if someone says he is a cat, he is not a cat, but a man who says he is a woman, is actually a woman?

if someone says they are a woman, they are a woman. I am a woman

By your logic, if I say I am a cat, I am a cat and I should be allowed to play in chess tournaments as a cat.

Got is, then you for clarification.

That is stupid and transphobic. 'cat' is not a gender. woman is.

people are the gender they say they are

Coddiwompler
Hawksteinman wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
seasideman wrote:
ghstndshll wrote:

... Western European countries are trying to eradicate the catholic church yet they welcome radical Islam

This is not true.

Progress in the "first world" is only in one direction: greater respect for individuals and their right to be who they want to be.

When my son was in grade school the teachers had to respect the students wishes and their "right to be who they want to be". He thought it was ridiculous so he made an example out of the teachers nonsense. He identified as an Apache attack helicopter. He said he was fast, he could fight, and he always wanted to fly. So he demanded they recognize how he identifies.

And of course, being the lemmings they are, the teacher did exactly that. The teacher had to respect his wishes. All the kids laughed at the teacher so hard and she was so embarrassed she probably suffered some emotional issue. But for the kids the solution was simple. Don't do something stupid and you won't be laughed at.

I'll take 'things that didn't happen' for 500, please

You can bet everything you have if you like. You may not be aware of what's going on in schools these days. And I didn't even mention what the boys did when they found out women's hygiene products were placed in the boys bathroom. If you've ever been around teenage boys, you don't have to wonder too much.

Consider that a daily double.

As a trans woman, I am unfortunately aware of the transphobia and homophobia in schools, and how uneducated cis people can be

I think you may have been misled. Nobody is scared of either persuasion. It's just that when you get a large group of teenage boys, you intentionally subject them to things like women's hygiene products in boys bathrooms, you have to expect a certain predictable result.

No different than when, during class, a student "identifies" as a cat. Or anything else that they clearly are not. Including Apache attack helicopters. There is going to be a very predictable amount of backlash, ridicule, and disruption. Bringing this unwarranted disruption to the attention of the staff, and making an example out of it, is perfectly within the rights of the students.

no one is identifying as a cat or a helicopter

I have no idea. I'm talking about what they identified as a few years ago in our local school system. In Oregon. Right now? I don't know. Maybe they've stopped doing that. But my guess is not much has changed, as evidenced by Oregon law concerning such things.

No one ever identified that way, although they may have made jokes about it. Unfortunately the lawmakers are uneducated on these issues, and completely ignoring the science and facts, and using these laws as a way to distract from what's actually going on (attacking women's rights, refugees, etc)

The jokes were made BECAUSE they identified that way. There is no other reason for ridicule and the backlash. It's ironic that in this instance, it was the students that had to remind the teacher of the science and facts. And remind her that NO, that person is actually NOT a cat. And that person is NOT an Apache attack helicopter, and that person is NOT a male. Teachers should not be science deniers.

trans women are women, trans men are men, non-binary people are non-binary. those are the facts. no-one is a cat or a helicopter, although those transphobic jokes have been around for ages, and everyone is sick and tired of them

So, if someone says he is a cat, he is not a cat, but a man who says he is a woman, is actually a woman?

if someone says they are a woman, they are a woman. I am a woman

By your logic, if I say I am a cat, I am a cat and I should be allowed to play in chess tournaments as a cat.

Got is, then you for clarification.

That is stupid and transphobic. 'cat' is not a gender. woman is.

people are the gender they say they are

who says "cat is not a gender" ?

If I say I am a cat, I am a cat, that is my gender.

Hawksteinman
Coddiwompler wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
seasideman wrote:
ghstndshll wrote:

... Western European countries are trying to eradicate the catholic church yet they welcome radical Islam

This is not true.

Progress in the "first world" is only in one direction: greater respect for individuals and their right to be who they want to be.

When my son was in grade school the teachers had to respect the students wishes and their "right to be who they want to be". He thought it was ridiculous so he made an example out of the teachers nonsense. He identified as an Apache attack helicopter. He said he was fast, he could fight, and he always wanted to fly. So he demanded they recognize how he identifies.

And of course, being the lemmings they are, the teacher did exactly that. The teacher had to respect his wishes. All the kids laughed at the teacher so hard and she was so embarrassed she probably suffered some emotional issue. But for the kids the solution was simple. Don't do something stupid and you won't be laughed at.

I'll take 'things that didn't happen' for 500, please

You can bet everything you have if you like. You may not be aware of what's going on in schools these days. And I didn't even mention what the boys did when they found out women's hygiene products were placed in the boys bathroom. If you've ever been around teenage boys, you don't have to wonder too much.

Consider that a daily double.

As a trans woman, I am unfortunately aware of the transphobia and homophobia in schools, and how uneducated cis people can be

I think you may have been misled. Nobody is scared of either persuasion. It's just that when you get a large group of teenage boys, you intentionally subject them to things like women's hygiene products in boys bathrooms, you have to expect a certain predictable result.

No different than when, during class, a student "identifies" as a cat. Or anything else that they clearly are not. Including Apache attack helicopters. There is going to be a very predictable amount of backlash, ridicule, and disruption. Bringing this unwarranted disruption to the attention of the staff, and making an example out of it, is perfectly within the rights of the students.

no one is identifying as a cat or a helicopter

I have no idea. I'm talking about what they identified as a few years ago in our local school system. In Oregon. Right now? I don't know. Maybe they've stopped doing that. But my guess is not much has changed, as evidenced by Oregon law concerning such things.

No one ever identified that way, although they may have made jokes about it. Unfortunately the lawmakers are uneducated on these issues, and completely ignoring the science and facts, and using these laws as a way to distract from what's actually going on (attacking women's rights, refugees, etc)

The jokes were made BECAUSE they identified that way. There is no other reason for ridicule and the backlash. It's ironic that in this instance, it was the students that had to remind the teacher of the science and facts. And remind her that NO, that person is actually NOT a cat. And that person is NOT an Apache attack helicopter, and that person is NOT a male. Teachers should not be science deniers.

trans women are women, trans men are men, non-binary people are non-binary. those are the facts. no-one is a cat or a helicopter, although those transphobic jokes have been around for ages, and everyone is sick and tired of them

So, if someone says he is a cat, he is not a cat, but a man who says he is a woman, is actually a woman?

if someone says they are a woman, they are a woman. I am a woman

By your logic, if I say I am a cat, I am a cat and I should be allowed to play in chess tournaments as a cat.

Got is, then you for clarification.

That is stupid and transphobic. 'cat' is not a gender. woman is.

people are the gender they say they are

who says "cat is not a gender" ?

If I say I am a cat, I am a cat, that is my gender.

You are clearly a troll and not worth my time

MikeCruise

y'all are weird!!!

Coddiwompler
Hawksteinman wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
seasideman wrote:
ghstndshll wrote:

... Western European countries are trying to eradicate the catholic church yet they welcome radical Islam

This is not true.

Progress in the "first world" is only in one direction: greater respect for individuals and their right to be who they want to be.

When my son was in grade school the teachers had to respect the students wishes and their "right to be who they want to be". He thought it was ridiculous so he made an example out of the teachers nonsense. He identified as an Apache attack helicopter. He said he was fast, he could fight, and he always wanted to fly. So he demanded they recognize how he identifies.

And of course, being the lemmings they are, the teacher did exactly that. The teacher had to respect his wishes. All the kids laughed at the teacher so hard and she was so embarrassed she probably suffered some emotional issue. But for the kids the solution was simple. Don't do something stupid and you won't be laughed at.

I'll take 'things that didn't happen' for 500, please

You can bet everything you have if you like. You may not be aware of what's going on in schools these days. And I didn't even mention what the boys did when they found out women's hygiene products were placed in the boys bathroom. If you've ever been around teenage boys, you don't have to wonder too much.

Consider that a daily double.

As a trans woman, I am unfortunately aware of the transphobia and homophobia in schools, and how uneducated cis people can be

I think you may have been misled. Nobody is scared of either persuasion. It's just that when you get a large group of teenage boys, you intentionally subject them to things like women's hygiene products in boys bathrooms, you have to expect a certain predictable result.

No different than when, during class, a student "identifies" as a cat. Or anything else that they clearly are not. Including Apache attack helicopters. There is going to be a very predictable amount of backlash, ridicule, and disruption. Bringing this unwarranted disruption to the attention of the staff, and making an example out of it, is perfectly within the rights of the students.

no one is identifying as a cat or a helicopter

I have no idea. I'm talking about what they identified as a few years ago in our local school system. In Oregon. Right now? I don't know. Maybe they've stopped doing that. But my guess is not much has changed, as evidenced by Oregon law concerning such things.

No one ever identified that way, although they may have made jokes about it. Unfortunately the lawmakers are uneducated on these issues, and completely ignoring the science and facts, and using these laws as a way to distract from what's actually going on (attacking women's rights, refugees, etc)

The jokes were made BECAUSE they identified that way. There is no other reason for ridicule and the backlash. It's ironic that in this instance, it was the students that had to remind the teacher of the science and facts. And remind her that NO, that person is actually NOT a cat. And that person is NOT an Apache attack helicopter, and that person is NOT a male. Teachers should not be science deniers.

trans women are women, trans men are men, non-binary people are non-binary. those are the facts. no-one is a cat or a helicopter, although those transphobic jokes have been around for ages, and everyone is sick and tired of them

So, if someone says he is a cat, he is not a cat, but a man who says he is a woman, is actually a woman?

if someone says they are a woman, they are a woman. I am a woman

By your logic, if I say I am a cat, I am a cat and I should be allowed to play in chess tournaments as a cat.

Got is, then you for clarification.

That is stupid and transphobic. 'cat' is not a gender. woman is.

people are the gender they say they are

who says "cat is not a gender" ?

If I say I am a cat, I am a cat, that is my gender.

You are clearly a troll and not worth my time

That's catphobic!

So, you are out of arguments, got it.

MrOkapi

If the ELO pool of men and women are the same, then all things being equal the ELO of a male player in a women's tournament may affect the winner of the tournament but not on the final ELO of the players. Is this not how ELO works?

But all things are not equal. There is an argument for women to have separate tournaments independent of the camaraderie, support and security derived from playing each other. This fairly recent paper, Gender Competition and Performance: Evidence from chess players, is relevant to this discussion. The abstract:

This paper studies gender differences in performance in a male‐dominated competitive environment chess tournaments. We find that the gender composition of chess games affects the behaviors of both men and women in ways that worsen the outcomes for women. Using a unique measure of within‐game quality of play, we show that women make more mistakes when playing against men. Men, however, play equally well against male and female opponents. We also find that men persist longer before losing to women. Our results shed some light on the behavioral changes that lead to differential outcomes when the gender composition of competitions varies

The references in this paper are pretty good. It is also long which I haven't finished. I would be interested to know how the research community views this paper. It would also be interesting to see how transgender women would fit in this type of analysis. But it should really be the women chess players who make the decision of who should play in their tournaments.

Coddiwompler
Hawksteinman wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
Coddiwompler wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
seasideman wrote:
ghstndshll wrote:

... Western European countries are trying to eradicate the catholic church yet they welcome radical Islam

This is not true.

Progress in the "first world" is only in one direction: greater respect for individuals and their right to be who they want to be.

When my son was in grade school the teachers had to respect the students wishes and their "right to be who they want to be". He thought it was ridiculous so he made an example out of the teachers nonsense. He identified as an Apache attack helicopter. He said he was fast, he could fight, and he always wanted to fly. So he demanded they recognize how he identifies.

And of course, being the lemmings they are, the teacher did exactly that. The teacher had to respect his wishes. All the kids laughed at the teacher so hard and she was so embarrassed she probably suffered some emotional issue. But for the kids the solution was simple. Don't do something stupid and you won't be laughed at.

I'll take 'things that didn't happen' for 500, please

You can bet everything you have if you like. You may not be aware of what's going on in schools these days. And I didn't even mention what the boys did when they found out women's hygiene products were placed in the boys bathroom. If you've ever been around teenage boys, you don't have to wonder too much.

Consider that a daily double.

As a trans woman, I am unfortunately aware of the transphobia and homophobia in schools, and how uneducated cis people can be

I think you may have been misled. Nobody is scared of either persuasion. It's just that when you get a large group of teenage boys, you intentionally subject them to things like women's hygiene products in boys bathrooms, you have to expect a certain predictable result.

No different than when, during class, a student "identifies" as a cat. Or anything else that they clearly are not. Including Apache attack helicopters. There is going to be a very predictable amount of backlash, ridicule, and disruption. Bringing this unwarranted disruption to the attention of the staff, and making an example out of it, is perfectly within the rights of the students.

no one is identifying as a cat or a helicopter

I have no idea. I'm talking about what they identified as a few years ago in our local school system. In Oregon. Right now? I don't know. Maybe they've stopped doing that. But my guess is not much has changed, as evidenced by Oregon law concerning such things.

No one ever identified that way, although they may have made jokes about it. Unfortunately the lawmakers are uneducated on these issues, and completely ignoring the science and facts, and using these laws as a way to distract from what's actually going on (attacking women's rights, refugees, etc)

The jokes were made BECAUSE they identified that way. There is no other reason for ridicule and the backlash. It's ironic that in this instance, it was the students that had to remind the teacher of the science and facts. And remind her that NO, that person is actually NOT a cat. And that person is NOT an Apache attack helicopter, and that person is NOT a male. Teachers should not be science deniers.

trans women are women, trans men are men, non-binary people are non-binary. those are the facts. no-one is a cat or a helicopter, although those transphobic jokes have been around for ages, and everyone is sick and tired of them

So, if someone says he is a cat, he is not a cat, but a man who says he is a woman, is actually a woman?

if someone says they are a woman, they are a woman. I am a woman

By your logic, if I say I am a cat, I am a cat and I should be allowed to play in chess tournaments as a cat.

Got is, then you for clarification.

That is stupid and transphobic. 'cat' is not a gender. woman is.

people are the gender they say they are

Reported for transphobia, cat is a real gender, and it is on a spectrum.

Hawksteinman
MrOkapi wrote:

If the ELO pool of men and women are the same, then all things being equal the ELO of a male player in a women's tournament may affect the winner of the tournament but not on the final ELO of the players. Is this not how ELO works?

But all things are not equal. There is an argument for women to have separate tournaments independent of the camaraderie, support and security derived from playing each other. This fairly recent paper, Gender Competition and Performance: Evidence from chess players, is relevant to this discussion. The abstract:

This paper studies gender differences in performance in a male‐dominated competitive environment chess tournaments. We find that the gender composition of chess games affects the behaviors of both men and women in ways that worsen the outcomes for women. Using a unique measure of within‐game quality of play, we show that women make more mistakes when playing against men. Men, however, play equally well against male and female opponents. We also find that men persist longer before losing to women. Our results shed some light on the behavioral changes that lead to differential outcomes when the gender composition of competitions varies

The references in this paper are pretty good. It is also long which I haven't finished. I would be interested to know how the research community views this paper. It would also be interesting to see how transgender women would fit in this type of analysis. But it should really be the women chess players who make the decision of who should play in their tournaments.

I don't think separate tournaments are required. There should be an option, but open tournaments are fine too.

Badchesserrr4486999
Hawksteinman написал:
Coddiwompler wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Hawksteinman wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
seasideman wrote:
ghstndshll wrote:

... Western European countries are trying to eradicate the catholic church yet they welcome radical Islam

This is not true.

Progress in the "first world" is only in one direction: greater respect for individuals and their right to be who they want to be.

When my son was in grade school the teachers had to respect the students wishes and their "right to be who they want to be". He thought it was ridiculous so he made an example out of the teachers nonsense. He identified as an Apache attack helicopter. He said he was fast, he could fight, and he always wanted to fly. So he demanded they recognize how he identifies.

And of course, being the lemmings they are, the teacher did exactly that. The teacher had to respect his wishes. All the kids laughed at the teacher so hard and she was so embarrassed she probably suffered some emotional issue. But for the kids the solution was simple. Don't do something stupid and you won't be laughed at.

I'll take 'things that didn't happen' for 500, please

You can bet everything you have if you like. You may not be aware of what's going on in schools these days. And I didn't even mention what the boys did when they found out women's hygiene products were placed in the boys bathroom. If you've ever been around teenage boys, you don't have to wonder too much.

Consider that a daily double.

As a trans woman, I am unfortunately aware of the transphobia and homophobia in schools, and how uneducated cis people can be

I think you may have been misled. Nobody is scared of either persuasion. It's just that when you get a large group of teenage boys, you intentionally subject them to things like women's hygiene products in boys bathrooms, you have to expect a certain predictable result.

No different than when, during class, a student "identifies" as a cat. Or anything else that they clearly are not. Including Apache attack helicopters. There is going to be a very predictable amount of backlash, ridicule, and disruption. Bringing this unwarranted disruption to the attention of the staff, and making an example out of it, is perfectly within the rights of the students.

no one is identifying as a cat or a helicopter

I have no idea. I'm talking about what they identified as a few years ago in our local school system. In Oregon. Right now? I don't know. Maybe they've stopped doing that. But my guess is not much has changed, as evidenced by Oregon law concerning such things.

No one ever identified that way, although they may have made jokes about it. Unfortunately the lawmakers are uneducated on these issues, and completely ignoring the science and facts, and using these laws as a way to distract from what's actually going on (attacking women's rights, refugees, etc)

The jokes were made BECAUSE they identified that way. There is no other reason for ridicule and the backlash. It's ironic that in this instance, it was the students that had to remind the teacher of the science and facts. And remind her that NO, that person is actually NOT a cat. And that person is NOT an Apache attack helicopter, and that person is NOT a male. Teachers should not be science deniers.

trans women are women, trans men are men, non-binary people are non-binary. those are the facts. no-one is a cat or a helicopter, although those transphobic jokes have been around for ages, and everyone is sick and tired of them

So, if someone says he is a cat, he is not a cat, but a man who says he is a woman, is actually a woman?

if someone says they are a woman, they are a woman. I am a woman

No you are a man.
You will never be a real woman!

jkurucar
jkurucar wrote:

Does my chess.com subscription support the FIDE organization? If so I'm out, disgusting policy.

Chess.com wrote back. They do not support the transphobic policy and no subscription fees support FIDE.

I think this topic should be locked. It's a cesspool of anti-trans flame trolls. Enjoy making the forums a place to avoid while you writh in your hate.

This forum topic has been locked