HolographWars wrote:
[(1. e4 c5 2. c3 Nf6 3. e5 Nd5)] 4. Nf3? 4. d4 seems a bit better to me
And after 4...cxd4, then what?
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Nov 8, 2018
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#583
josecarlos33 wrote:
i learnt but i dont really believe but yeah i must admit this is the most informative and instructional thread here in chess.com i really learnt some concepts and ideas thank u
Thank you very much. I appreciate your kind words, and am glad you’ve found this thread informative
Nov 8, 2018
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#584
SaltyAsHell wrote:
Okay let's actually bust this kids arguments. Show us as a wining line, there must be plenty as it's forced right?
I showed forced winning lines in post 55, which is a complete and thorough analysis of why 2. d5 loses immediately
kindaspongey wrote:
HolographWars wrote:
[(1. e4 c5 2. c3 Nf6 3. e5 Nd5)] 4. Nf3? 4. d4 seems a bit better to me
And after 4...cxd4, then what?
Two options that give White a solid advantage
#1: 5. cxd4 and White has a strong center. White can strengthen his center without much difficulty.
#2. 5. Bc4! Nb6 6. Bb3! go for the gambit. In compensation, White will get a space advantage, a lead in development, and Black's positions is extremely cramped. White should have little trouble achieving a huge edge here.
HolographWars wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
HolographWars wrote:
[(1. e4 c5 2. c3 Nf6 3. e5 Nd5)] 4. Nf3? 4. d4 seems a bit better to me
And after 4...cxd4, then what?
Two options that give White a solid advantage
#1: 5. cxd4 and White has a strong center. White can strengthen his center without much difficulty. ...
And after 5...Nc6, then what?
"I showed forced winning lines in post 55, which is a complete and thorough analysis of why 2. d5 loses immediately" - staples13 (~1 hour ago)
staples13 wrote (August 29, 2018):
… Here's another 3 minute no increment blitz game showing black cracking under the constant pressure from white's pieces.
Clearly black can not take on d4. ...
xxx
"Are we going to see staples13 identify a winning improvement for White?" - kindaspongey (~14 days ago)
rychessmaster1 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
HolographWars wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
HolographWars wrote:
[(1. e4 c5 2. c3 Nf6 3. e5 Nd5)] 4. Nf3? 4. d4 seems a bit better to me
And after 4...cxd4, then what?
Two options that give White a solid advantage
#1: 5. cxd4 and White has a strong center. White can strengthen his center without much difficulty. ...
And after 5...Nc6, then what?
6. Nf3
Doesn't that result in the same position as the one after White's 6th move in this game?
Will we see HolographWars identify a winning improvement for White in the subsequent moves?
littlesoldier123 wrote:
1. e4 c5 2. c3 Nf6 3. e5 Nd5 4. d4 cxd4 5. Nf3 d6 6. cxd4 Nc6
0.00 depth 54
@staples13 your response?
staples13 wrote:
littlesoldier123 wrote:
Does staples then insist that the Alapin is a forced win for white if black plays 2…Nf6?
Yes the Alapin is still a forced win after 2. Nf6. I just don’t personally enjoy those lines as much as the 2. d5 lines
Proof? Would you mind quoting a post number?
littlesoldier123 wrote:
littlesoldier123 wrote:
1. e4 c5 2. c3 Nf6 3. e5 Nd5 4. d4 cxd4 5. Nf3 d6 6. cxd4 Nc6
0.00 depth 54
@staples13 your response?
Engine is an engine, but humans are humans. Everyone makes mistakes. You have any games to show us how this works against the Alapin?
staples13 wrote:
SaltyAsHell wrote:
Okay let's actually bust this kids arguments. Show us as a wining line, there must be plenty as it's forced right?
I showed forced winning lines in post 55, which is a complete and thorough analysis of why 2. d5 loses immediately
Your "thorough" analysis did not include the move order 1. e4 c5 2. c3 d5 3. exd5 Qxd5 4. d4 e6, which is suggested by Stockfish.
HolographWars wrote:
littlesoldier123 wrote:
littlesoldier123 wrote:
1. e4 c5 2. c3 Nf6 3. e5 Nd5 4. d4 cxd4 5. Nf3 d6 6. cxd4 Nc6
0.00 depth 54
@staples13 your response?
Engine is an engine, but humans are humans. Everyone makes mistakes. You have any games to show us how this works against the Alapin?
This ongoing game is the game you want.
Then use dat line in practice. Does it work? Wanna play?
HolographWars wrote:
Then use dat line in practice. Does it work? Wanna play?
I am happy to host a match between you and stockfish.
littlesoldier123 wrote:
HolographWars wrote:
Then use dat line in practice. Does it work? Wanna play?
I am happy to host a match between you and stockfish.
I accept challenge. Let’s see what stockfish has. Playing now.
Nov 8, 2018
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#598
kindaspongey wrote:
"I showed forced winning lines in post 55, which is a complete and thorough analysis of why 2. d5 loses immediately" - staples13 (~1 hour ago)
staples13 wrote (August 29, 2018):
… Here's another 3 minute no increment blitz game showing black cracking under the constant pressure from white's pieces.
Clearly black can not take on d4. ...
xxx
"Are we going to see staples13 identify a winning improvement for White?" - kindaspongey (~14 days ago)
White missed 14. Rd6 which would’ve kept the winning advantage
1. e4 c5 2. c3 Nf6 3. e5 Nd5 4. d4 cxd4 5. Nf3 d6 6. cxd4 Nc6 7. Bc4 dxe5
0.00 depth 56
4. Nf3? 4. d4 seems a bit better to me
That's why he is 2500+ and you are not even close