A Bust to the Sicilian Defense

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staples13 wrote:
Here's my game with Stockfish. It wasn't able to equalize against my Alapin and its position is probably lost.

 

 

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staples13 wrote:

Admittedly I couldn’t figure out how to download stockfish so I had to guess as to what moves stockfish would have played, but  I think I probably got it right

You can't "guess" stockfish's moves. This is ridiculous.

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The fact that one 2775+ Player (MVL), plays the Sicilian all the time and that Carlsen recently played it a lot, while gaining incredible results might indicate that the Sicilian is not dead yet. Also, only few 2750s try the Alapin for white against it. All of these people who dedicate their life to chess have not found anything that refutes the opening and it might be for 

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a reason.  

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Tal125555 wrote:

The fact that you say that ...d5 is the most played move while it isn't in the explorer just proves that you're doing something wrong

20,225> 18,874. Have a nice day!

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its funny how almost everyone on staples side gave up already

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staples13 wrote:
Tal125555 wrote:

The fact that you say that ...d5 is the most played move while it isn't in the explorer just proves that you're doing something wrong

20,225> 18,874. Have a nice day!

Thanks I do know my basic maths. However, ....d5 and ....Nf6 are played almost the same and so they both are main lines. You can't say ....d5 is the main line. Also white has worst results against the ....Nf6 variation. And by the way, it's not clear which is played the most. The chessbase database (which seems to be the one on  which the best players prepare and which does look better then 365 chess) says that ...Nf6 is the most played. Anyway, it doesn't matter much. Most top GMs (except Ding) played Nf6 in this link here : Chessbase online

Play the moves e4 c5 c3 and tap on search board and look at what the high ratings (+2700) did.

Whatever. Also try providing a refutation to Nf6

The Alapin is not a bad variation, but it comes nowhere close to refuting the sicilian.

 

 

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I did provide a refutation for 2. Nf6

 

3.e5! And black is lost 

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"I did provide a refutation for 2. Nf6 3.e5! And black is lost" - staples13 (~37 minutes ago)
kindaspongey wrote (July 28, 2019):
staples13 wrote:
dawson_632 wrote:

… 1 e4 c5 2 c3 Nf6 3 e5 Nd5 4 Nf3 Nc6 5 Bc4 Nb6 6 Bb3 g6 ...

Brilliant game. Thanks for contributing 

How does White reply to 6...c4 ?

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/a-bust-to-the-sicilian-defense?page=53

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staples13님이 썼습니다:

I did provide a refutation for 2. Nf6

 

3.e5! And black is lost 

e6=

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ChessBoy513 wrote:
staples13님이 썼습니다:

I did provide a refutation for 2. Nf6

 

3.e5! And black is lost 

e6=

4. exf6  1-0

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ChessBoy513 wrote:
staples13님이 썼습니다:

I did provide a refutation for 2. Nf6

3.e5! And black is lost 

e6=

(I think the intention is to refer to 1 e4 c5 2 c3 e6, rather than 1 e4 c5 2 c3 Nf6 3 e5 e6.)

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DamonevicSmithlov wrote:

Oh what does Garry know about chess?

Exactly. Kasparov is the greatest Hess player who ever lived, and he had to abandon the Sicilian against Deep Blue because of the Alapin

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staples13 wrote:

... Kasparov ... had to abandon the Sicilian against Deep Blue because of the Alapin

Perhaps because he didn’t think it was his best chance for a victory at that time?

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kindaspongey wrote:
staples13 wrote:

... Kasparov ... had to abandon the Sicilian against Deep Blue because of the Alapin

Perhaps because he didn’t think it was his best chance for a victory at that time?

Yes! And he was right too

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staples13 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
staples13 wrote:

... Kasparov ... had to abandon the Sicilian against Deep Blue because of the Alapin

Perhaps because he didn’t think it was his best chance for a victory at that time?

Yes! And he was right too

Of course, there is a difference between forced-loss and

not-the-best-chance-for-a-victory-at-that-time.

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ChessieSystem101 wrote:

its funny how almost everyone on staples side gave up already

I’m just focusing more on

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e5 Nd5 ? and what happens

 

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staples13 wrote:

I did provide a refutation for 2. Nf6

 

3.e5! And black is lost 

1) e5 is obvious and deserves no exclam.

2)

In this crazy theoretical position from the PP Najdorf, try, without your CPU, to find black's best move and follow-up. 
 

 

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This is why computers have an obvious advantage against human in these crazy positions, as they calculate flawlessly. Hence, Kasparov did not abandon the Sicilian because of the Alapin, but because it led to positions where the computer has the obvious advantage of much better calculation. Even playing it in the First game was heavily criticised. Stop lying, please.