A Bust to the Sicilian Defense

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kindaspongey
staples13 wrote:

You guys claim Kasparov had a forced draw against Deeo Blue’s Alapin. Post how Kasparov could’ve forced three fold repetition or forced a transposition to a drawn endgame 

Have you done very much posting of forced checkmates?

staples13
kindaspongey wrote:
staples13 wrote:

You guys claim Kasparov had a forced draw against Deeo Blue’s Alapin. Post how Kasparov could’ve forced three fold repetition or forced a transposition to a drawn endgame 

Have you done very much posting of forced checkmates?

Yes actually I have, but that’s neither here nor there. You claimed Kasparov had a forced draw, now please show the moves that force the draw 

kindaspongey
staples13 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
staples13 wrote:

You guys claim Kasparov had a forced draw against Deeo Blue’s Alapin. Post how Kasparov could’ve forced three fold repetition or forced a transposition to a drawn endgame 

Have you done very much posting of forced checkmates?

Yes actually I have, ...

How many specific examples are we likely to see you identify?

kindaspongey
staples13 wrote:

… You claimed Kasparov had a forced draw, ... 

Me? Are we likely to see you quote a specific one of my sentences?

staples13
kindaspongey wrote:
staples13 wrote:

… You claimed Kasparov had a forced draw, ... 

Me? Are we likely to see you quote a specific one of my sentences?

Ok, not you. But others have claimed this and they need to back it up or retract their post 

kindaspongey
staples13 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
staples13 wrote:

… You claimed Kasparov had a forced draw, ... 

Me? Are we likely to see you quote a specific one of my sentences?

Ok, not you. But others have claimed this and they need to back it up or retract their post 

What sort of standard have you maintained for backing up claims? Perhaps, people can look at my post about ten hours ago in order to get some sort of idea.

El_Chapeau12

I’m way to lazy to search for a forced draw but @kindaspongey is probably right here. 

Anyway, this « sicilian réfutation » cannot be based on just an analysis on move 27. 

You still have not refuted any line; you gave some ideas against 3....d5 but you where very far from proving a refutation to all viable black moves there.

If you ( @staples13 )have not refuted 1e4 c5 2 c3 Nf6 3 e5 Cd5 4. d4 cxd4 in Twitter days then you haven’t refuted the sicilian.

Note : a refutation is a good deal of work and you have to prove all black’s played options wrong. Good luck !

staples13
Tal125555 wrote:

I’m way to lazy to search for a forced draw but @kindaspongey is probably right here. 

Anyway, this « sicilian réfutation » cannot be based on just an analysis on move 27. 

You still have not refuted any line; you gave some ideas against 3....d5 but you where very far from proving a refutation to all viable black moves there.

If you ( @staples13 )have not refuted 1e4 c5 2 c3 Nf6 3 e5 Cd5 4. d4 cxd4 in Twitter days then you haven’t refuted the sicilian.

Note : a refutation is a good deal of work and you have to prove all black’s played options wrong. Good luck !

It’s unfortunate that this thread has now turned into people making clearly false claims and then refusing to back them up with any kind of proof. 

staples13
kindaspongey wrote:
staples13 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
staples13 wrote:

… You claimed Kasparov had a forced draw, ... 

Me? Are we likely to see you quote a specific one of my sentences?

Ok, not you. But others have claimed this and they need to back it up or retract their post 

What sort of standard have you maintained for backing up claims? Perhaps, people can look at my post about ten hours ago in order to get some sort of idea.

An extremely high standard. I’ve posted dozens of games and variations as proof.

kindaspongey
"... I’ve posted dozens of games and variations as proof." - staples13 (~2 hours ago)
staples13 wrote (~21 days ago):
kindaspongey wrote:
staples13 wrote:

... 1. e4 c5 2. c3 Nf6 3. e5 Nd5 4. d4 cxd4 5. Nf3 dxc3 ... 1-0 No one is even surviving 10 moves against the Alapin.

What if Black had played 5...Nc6 ?

Then black loses in 15 moves instead of 5

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/a-bust-to-the-sicilian-defense?page=82

kindaspongey
kindaspongey wrote (~10 days ago):
kindaspongey wrote ...:
"... with best play in my opinion black loses to the Alapin." - staples13 (August 27, 2018)
staples13 wrote ...:

... the time control a game is played at doesn’t affect whether or not a position is winning. ...

Does it affect whether or not the moves are very close to "best play"?

Let us know if you ever decide that you want to answer the question. In the meantime, we can consider:

"... the kind of thinking it takes to plan, evaluate, play long endgames, and find deep combinations is just not possible in quick chess. ..." - NM Dan Heisman (2002)

https://web.archive.org/web/20140627052239/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/heisman16.pdf

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/a-bust-to-the-sicilian-defense?page=91

"… I only play blitz and bullet ..." - staples13 (August 31, 2019)

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/a-bust-to-the-sicilian-defense?page=69

ZiYaBi

Just get an engine to play against itself in the Alapin.

El_Chapeau12
Tal125555 wrote:

I’m way to lazy to search for a forced draw but @kindaspongey is probably right here. 

Anyway, this « sicilian réfutation » cannot be based on just an analysis on move 27. 

You still have not refuted any line; you gave some ideas against 3....d5 but you where very far from proving a refutation to all viable black moves there.

If you ( @staples13 )have not refuted 1e4 c5 2 c3 Nf6 3 e5 Cd5 4. d4 cxd4 in two days then you haven’t refuted the sicilian.

Note : a refutation is a good deal of work and you have to prove all black’s played options wrong. Good luck !

Clearly false claims and refusing to back them up with proof??????????

That's exactly what you're doing here:

-You haven't even given a concrete refutation of all of black's lines. Remember we all assume that black is OK before moves are played so you are the one that has to provide a refutation and not us (although we did though)

-You were in -0,50 against Stockfish in ten moves with white.

-You've just posted a bunch of random blitz games and found excuses to not play a good opponent or to play longer time controls

Conclusion :

Your proof is laughable, even at kindergarden standards (pfren)

I've backed up all my claims with the proof needed. You haven't.

 

staples13
Tal125555 wrote:

-You've just posted a bunch of random blitz games and found excuses to not play a good opponent or to play longer time controls

 

So NM’s aren’t good players? Rychessmaster isn’t a good player? Surely you don’t actually believe that.

Furthermore, I have publicly challenged any IM or GM to try to defeat my Alapin. It’s not my fault none have accepted. 

Finally it doesn’t even matter the quality of the opponent across the board. If a position is winning then it’s winning regardless of who your opponent is. If I reach the Lucena position it doesn’t matter if I’m playing Kasparov or a 6 year old my position is winning. The same is true with the Alapin

kindaspongey
"... So NM’s aren’t good players? ..." - staples13 (~8 hours ago)
staples13 wrote (~17 days ago):
kindaspongey wrote:
staples13 wrote ...:

Titled players have scored 0% against Staples13’s Alapin. ...

In two games? One was bullet and the other?

"… I only play blitz and bullet ..." - staples13 (August 31, 2019)

Both were bullet

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/a-bust-to-the-sicilian-defense?page=86

kindaspongey
"... I have publicly challenged any IM or GM to try to defeat my Alapin. ..." - staples13 (~8 hours ago)
staples13 wrote (~15 days ago):

I will expand my challenge to any IM as well. I will represent the Alapin and my opponent will play the Sicilian. Here are the rules.  We play one 3 minute no increment blitz game ...

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/a-bust-to-the-sicilian-defense?page=88

kindaspongey
"... with best play in my opinion black loses to the Alapin." - staples13 (August 27, 2018)
staples13 wrote (~8 hours ago):

... it doesn’t even matter the quality of the opponent across the board. If a position is winning then it’s winning regardless of who your opponent is. ...

Does the quality of the opponent affect whether or not the moves are likely to be very close to "best play"?

staples13
kindaspongey wrote:
"... with best play in my opinion black loses to the Alapin." - staples13 (August 27, 2018)
staples13 wrote:

... it doesn’t even matter the quality of the opponent across the board. If a position is winning then it’s winning regardless of who your opponent is. ...

Does the quality of the opponent affect whether or not the moves are likely to be very close to "best play"?

That’s my point. Once a position is winning it’s winning and there is nothing the opponent can do except hope for you to blunder 

kindaspongey
staples13 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
"... with best play in my opinion black loses to the Alapin." - staples13 (August 27, 2018)
staples13 wrote:

... it doesn’t even matter the quality of the opponent across the board. If a position is winning then it’s winning regardless of who your opponent is. ...

Does the quality of the opponent affect whether or not the moves are likely to be very close to "best play"?

... Once a position is winning it’s winning and there is nothing the opponent can do except hope for you to blunder 

Does the quality of the opponent affect whether or not the moves are likely to be very close to "best play"?

"... You don't have to answer. ..." - Laura Branigan (1982)

kindaspongey
Chomky_Cheese wrote:
SpiderUnicorn wrote:
SpiderUnicorn wrote:

@staples13, refute a line for us please. To completely BUST a mainstream and important opening like the Sicilian, you have to prove to us that EVERY single possible variation ends in checkmate for White, assuming that White has best play. ...

 

... he doesn't mean no matter what, he thinks this is the best try, and ...

"... In my opinion the Sicilian Defense is busted. It loses by force. ... of course black can always play differently than in the games shown, in which case he merely loses differently. ..." - staples13 (August 27, 2018)

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/a-bust-to-the-sicilian-defense?

"... with best play in my opinion black loses to the Alapin." - staples13 (August 27, 2018)

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/a-bust-to-the-sicilian-defense?page=2