A Bust to the Sicilian Defense

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@pfren better come over here

staples13

Semyon Alapin is 🐐

kindaspongey

"... his successes with the variation were rather modest. … Simon Alapin (1856-1923) ... was one of the strongest Russian players and had a reputation as a theoretician. … To a great extent, Alapin was not acting as a theoretician when he played 2.c3, he just wanted to escape from theory … . He was simply making a solid move, useful in the fight for the centre. … Nevertheless, Alapin was the first to pay serious attention to the move 2.c3 against the Sicilian Defence, therefore the name 'Alapin System' is fully justified. Besides the Russian master we should certainly mention Aron Nimzowitsch … and Savielly Tartakower …, who both made considerable contributions to the development of this system. …" - GM Evgeny Sveshnikov (2010)

kindaspongey

“The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated.”

WilliamShookspear

Why is this discussion still going

kindaspongey

"... the drawback of [1 e4 c5 2 c4] is that White reveals his intentions too early and Black can direct his forces at the weakened square d4. If he manages to reinforce this square (by means of ...Nc6, ...g7-g6, ...Bg7), then he will have an excellent game. … I have had [2 c4] played against me a number of times by the experienced Latvian gramdmaster Normunds Miezis. But I have never had the slightest reason to complain about the outcome of the opening. …" - GM Evgeny Sveshnikov (2014)

sndeww
WilliamShookspear wrote:

Why is this discussion still going

Lol idk

 

WeylTransform
KnuppelBerry wrote:

Finally, it's been busted.  Now I can play 1...e5 with peace of mind.

 

You can always opt for the Petrov defence if your opponent proceeds with the standard knight. On the other hand, if he/she more audacious as in employing Kings Gambit (there aren't really any greater responses to such), utilise the Adelaide Counter Gambit. 

WeylTransform

Alanine is the crucial entity we seek. An alphabetical shift by 2 applied to only p would result in alanin, and already allusions to this CC zoos, artificial intelligence and what not loom. Add an e to the end (well, it is used in compound interest), and hey presto, you've got yourself alanine. Hence, alanine solves the P VS NP problem readily. Who could have speculated that such a prevalent component of meats could absolve practically any CC problem? Note that it is not Alapin that resolves everything but alanine, considering that we adding an extra 2.718.

WeylTransform
Chomky_Cheese wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:

"... his successes with the variation were rather modest. … Simon Alapin (1856-1923) ... was one of the strongest Russian players and had a reputation as a theoretician. … To a great extent, Alapin was not acting as a theoretician when he played 2.c3, he just wanted to escape from theory … . He was simply making a solid move, useful in the fight for the centre. … Nevertheless, Alapin was the first to pay serious attention to the move 2.c3 against the Sicilian Defence, therefore the name 'Alapin System' is fully justified. Besides the Russian master we should certainly mention Aron Nimzowitsch … and Savielly Tartakower …, who both made considerable contributions to the development of this system. …" - GM Evgeny Sveshnikov (2010)

TBH I really do think the Sicilian gives up way too much in hope of attacking. 2c4 seems to just kill black

 

Does your username allude to the Chomsky hierarchy? 

congrandolor
WeylTransform wrote:
KnuppelBerry wrote:

Finally, it's been busted.  Now I can play 1...e5 with peace of mind.

 

You can always opt for the Petrov defence if your opponent proceeds with the standard knight. On the other hand, if he/she more audacious as in employing Kings Gambit (there aren't really any greater responses to such), utilise the Adelaide Counter Gambit. 

When someone plays the Petrov against me I smile and play 3.Nc3. They often resign immediately.

nighteyes1234

OK, so I decided to play Alapin to see if the Sicilian was busted after all. Well what do you know? I won?!

 

Chessflyfisher
congrandolor wrote:
WeylTransform wrote:
KnuppelBerry wrote:

Finally, it's been busted.  Now I can play 1...e5 with peace of mind.

 

You can always opt for the Petrov defence if your opponent proceeds with the standard knight. On the other hand, if he/she more audacious as in employing Kings Gambit (there aren't really any greater responses to such), utilise the Adelaide Counter Gambit. 

When someone plays the Petrov against me I smile and play 3.Nc3. They often resign immediately.

I don`t believe you.

Chessflyfisher
Snejvesda wrote:
WilliamShookspear wrote:

Why is this discussion still going

Lol idk

 

Good point! Let`s start a petition to end it. Are you guys in? 

Chessflyfisher
kindaspongey wrote:

"... the drawback of [1 e4 c5 2 c4] is that White reveals his intentions too early and Black can direct his forces at the weakened square d4. If he manages to reinforce this square (by means of ...Nc6, ...g7-g6, ...Bg7), then he will have an excellent game. … I have had [2 c4] played against me a number of times by the experienced Latvian gramdmaster Normunds Miezis. But I have never had the slightest reason to complain about the outcome of the opening. …" - GM Evgeny Sveshnikov (2014)

Check out the databases. 

kindaspongey
Chomky_Cheese wrote:

… TBH I really do think the Sicilian gives up way too much in hope of attacking. 2c4 seems to just kill black

Does 2 e4 seem to just kill the 1 c4 c5 English?

WilliamShookspear
Chomky_Cheese wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
Chomky_Cheese wrote:

… TBH I really do think the Sicilian gives up way too much in hope of attacking. 2c4 seems to just kill black

Does 2 e4 seem to just kill the 1 c4 c5 English?

Well, black is just smothered. I'd play an IM in that position and be comfortable

But not a GM? So its not completely sound...

staples13
kindaspongey wrote:
Chomky_Cheese wrote:

… TBH I really do think the Sicilian gives up way too much in hope of attacking. 2c4 seems to just kill black

Does 2 e4 seem to just kill the 1 c4 c5 English?

I think he meant that 2. c3 kills black

ThrillerFan
staples13 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
Chomky_Cheese wrote:

… TBH I really do think the Sicilian gives up way too much in hope of attacking. 2c4 seems to just kill black

Does 2 e4 seem to just kill the 1 c4 c5 English?

I think he meant that 2. c3 kills black

 

Of course, if 2.c3 is a refutation to the Sicilian, which is absolutely isn't, then I guess the following is the most brilliant way to play the Sicilian since the Alapin is impossible here!  Oh, and I should add, Black won!

 

http://charlottechesscenter.blogspot.com/2019/11/game-analysis-south-carolina.html

 

kindaspongey
Chomky_Cheese wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
Chomky_Cheese wrote:

… TBH I really do think the Sicilian gives up way too much in hope of attacking. 2c4 seems to just kill black

Does 2 e4 seem to just kill the 1 c4 c5 English?

Well, black is just smothered. I'd play an IM in that position and be comfortable

So, you are not claiming that the symmetrical English is now avoided because of the possibility of 2 e4 ?