Actually if I remember correctly, h6, g5 followed Nf6 or Rh7!? [ :)] is possible. Actually I have played the position with Black pieces with really great success. It was one of my dream positions :)
A new gambit with no refutation
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Jan 1, 2014
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GM Neil McDonald gives the line 1.d4 f5 2.Bg5 h6 3.Bh4 g5 4.e3 Nf6 5.Bg3 d6 6.c4!? e6 7.Nc3 Qe7 as equal
Jan 1, 2014
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There is simply no way to attack the Black king. If you aren't convinced then start unrated online game against me :)
Jan 1, 2014
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BTW in that opening example the White was Kasparov when he was the world champion and the result was a DRAW. And you can give two !! only to moves that win immediately :)
But the pawn pushes, while playable, flagrantly violate Steiniz's rule about pawn moves creating weaknesses. The pawn moves are too committal and early g5 + f5 (or g4 + f4 for white) moves are hardly ever good. Pawn advances can be good, but only with proper piece play to support it.
The defending side must be prepared to defend and make concessions. Since white has a slight advantage on the first move this means that black is defending, and 2...g6! minimizes his weaknesses unlike 2...h6 and ...g5.
2. h6 certainly does not deserve a question mark, it is the best move and ensures that white gets absolutely nothing out of the opening. Black has nothing to fear.
Besides, why does he have to even accept the "Gambit?" Let's say black does play the inferior 2. g6, he can just play 3. d6 with the obviously better game (white has devastated his kingside, for what? nothing).
Jan 3, 2014
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nope h6 is clearly stronger. After Steiniz who lived in 1850-1900 there has been invented another ideas. 2..h6! is clearly the best move and is pointed out by numerous of the top GM:s including Nakamura who likes to play The Dutch. I would say that we should solve this like gentlemen - let's have an unrated game and i will play 2..h6
No 2...g6 is the best move. Don't you know anything about Steinitz's principles? They are the foundation of modern chess play!
http://exeterchessclub.org.uk/content/theory-steinitz
3...d6 is still playable, but 4.gxf5,Bxf5 5.Nc3,Nf6 (5...Bg7?! 6.e4!) 6.Bg2,Nc6 7.e4 gives white the center and a tempo due to the misplaced bishop.
Even if white can't get a king attack going after 2...h6 the fact remains that black overextended his pawns, which is what he wants from white. It is a panic reaction.
In the Ruy Lopez a trump for white is black's loosened queenside, and here white obtains the same advantage... on the kingside with an advanced f-pawn to boot.
2...g6 meanwhile transposes to either a Staunton gambit with ...g6 or a Leningrad with the bishop misplaced on g5.
Admittedly it's a blitz game, but it's highly instructive:
I'm not sure if you are trolling, but it is well-known that the lines after 2. ...h6 give white less than nothing. 2. ...g6 is also probably close to equal, but that is because 2. Bg5 is not a very good move. 2. ...h6 is clearly equal or better for black, though, that much is obvious.
I'm under the impression that both moves are fine, but 2...g6 is a bit easier to play for Black, and that the theory in 2...h6 is still ever-changing. Certainly there seems no reason to say that g6 is significantly worse than h6, unless you can argue otherwise?
BTW I play 2...g6.
I don't play the Dutch, but my understanding is that 2. Bg5 h6 gives white nothing. Although I could easily be wrong! I don't play it after all.
But Lasker and Steinitz state that the defender must defend himself and it involves concessions. However, the smallest concession should be made and no bigger. It is the principle of economy, why weaken f6, f5, h6, and h5 further when you only have to weaken f6 and h6?
Jan 3, 2014
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^^Don't you know anything about Steinitz's principles?^^
Yes I do actually but there is always exceptions in rules of chess (You really didn't know that?). I have read few of this writings. It seems that you are too scared or not brave enough to take my challange. If 2..h6 really is mistake then you should be able to prove it.
^^It is a panic reaction.^^
Nope it has been played against Kasparov and by Nakamura and GM Neil McDonald some times.
Like McDonald says: "At first glace this seems like an insane move: Black has already weakened his kingside with f5 and now he plays 2..h6 asking to be mated on the light sqaures. In reality, so long as he avoids a couple of beginner's mates, nothing is going to happen to the black king... He is planning to utalize his kingside pawns before developing any pieces. That means that he is going to have dynamic chances, even if the pawns are somewhat fragile.lncidentally, he is playing according to the prespts of Philidor, who taught that in the opening the pieces should play second fiddle to the requirements of the pawn."
Of course I know about exceptions, I sometimes play the Nimzo-Larsen, which moves bishops before knights and sometimes the 4...Qb6 (2...e6 or 2...Nc6) Sicilian, which violates the don't move the queen early principle.
I said it seems like a panic because before in a Queen's Indian I played ...h6 and ...g5 out of panic before.
I'm always up for a game.
The whole ...h6 and ...g5 setup doesn't seem very solid.
It is like saying the Ruy Lopez gives nothing for white. It's the same provoking a loose structure principle except on the kingside. White provoked kingside weaknesses, that is what he gets as well as setting up a solid formation.
I play the Dutch too and feel safer in 2...g6 lines as it minimizes weakening pawn moves.
I don't play the line and know very little about the dutch, however I don't see any real problem with 2.h6. While learning all of the principles about chess is essential remember that there are exceptions to every rule. If Naka and McDonald think it gives nothing for white, then it's safe to assume that this is one of those exceptions.
I was seriously not going to post this and keep it under lock and key because I don't want people to know about one of my nummy yummy secret weapons, especially this beauty (heck, I even shared the Bird Wing with all of you and even the Lightning Countergambit, like a Wing Gambit/From's Gambit hybrid).
You all ready? The cat's out of the bag *snaps fingers*