About Alekhine's Defense (1. e2-e4, ...Ng8-f6)

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McAdooMarcelKeelen

I always follow Alekhine's Defense when I play with the Dark pieces and my opponent opens with

1. e2-e4. I have a few questions about lines under Alekhine's Defense and would like to have a discussion with people about a few lines I would like to understand better wink.png If anyone would like to share, please do happy.png

Yigor

The next (white and black) move is also straightforward:

 

 

Now there are 2 optimal white moves: 3. c4 and 3. d4. explorer.png

poucin
Yigor a écrit :

The next (white and black) move is also straightforward:

 

 

Now there are 2 optimal white moves: 3. c4 and 3. d4.

Not 3.Nf3 or 3.Nc3?

 

Yigor
poucin wrote:
Yigor a écrit :

Now there are 2 optimal white moves: 3. c4 and 3. d4.

Not 3.Nf3 or 3.Nc3?

 

For Stockfish (depth=20) both knight moves are suboptimal. So, this seems to be a 2-acute position. It means that there are 2 optimal moves separated by a sufficiently big gap from suboptimal ones.

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/acuteness-of-openings

Yigor
DeirdreSkye wrote:

Yes , that is the problem when you don't understand chess and you expect answers from Stockfish.

    Stockfish doesn't know that after 1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 the "suboptimal" 3.Nf3 simply transposes to 3...d6(Black has nothing better) 4.d4 which is main line.

 

When U'll attend 2000+ in the live or correspondence chess without cheating, U could possibly pretend that I don't understand chess. Contrary to U, I acknowledge that strong engines are smarter than me, even in openings.

Yigor

DeirdreSkye: Sure that I regularly commit both mistakes and blunders otherwise I'd be an engine. However, I have a quite good ratio, something between 50% or 60%, of excellent moves. It means that my intuitive understanding of chess is good enough. Also, let speak IM poucin for himself. He's a big boy despite the name of his avatar. grin.png

Yigor

DeirdreSkye: Who doesn't understand the chess here ?!? 3. Nf3 doesn't lead to a simple transition / transposition cuz black will play 3...c5 to prevent it.

Eric_Briffoz
Yigor wrote:

DeirdreSkye: Sure that I regularly commit both mistakes and blunders otherwise I'd be an engine. However, I have a quite good ratio, something between 50% or 60%, of excellent moves. It means that my intuitive understanding of chess is good enough. Also, let speak IM poucin for himself. He's a big boy despite the name of his avatar.

Correct. Poucin criticizes a lot across many forums (mine included). Nothing constructive.

Don't worry about these fools... please.

Yigor

It's already an effort to write a book. DeirdreSkye is probably Mr. World (from American Gods), he speaks again for everybody. Some players can find useful to read an analysis of blitz games and why not ?!?

Yigor

DeirdreSkye: Have U watched American Gods? These recent (2017) TV series are kinda funny pseudoreligious arthouse. grin.png

Dodger111

Dude with your rating you really shouldn't play Alekhine's Defense. Even good players have trouble with it because it ...just....sucks.....

Yigor
Dodger111 wrote:

Dude with your rating you really shouldn't play AleIn mykhine's Defense. Even good players have trouble with it because it ...just....sucks.....

 

In my experience, up to the rating 2000, U can start with almost everything (I often use the generator of random integers grin.png). In addition, if someone is comfortable with hypermodern openings (the modest development waiting to strike from back ranks) then Aleknine defense is suitable too. tongue.png

poucin
Eric_Briffoz a écrit :
Yigor wrote:

DeirdreSkye: Sure that I regularly commit both mistakes and blunders otherwise I'd be an engine. However, I have a quite good ratio, something between 50% or 60%, of excellent moves. It means that my intuitive understanding of chess is good enough. Also, let speak IM poucin for himself. He's a big boy despite the name of his avatar.

Correct. Poucin criticizes a lot across many forums (mine included). Nothing constructive.

Don't worry about these fools... please.

Not constructive?

Read this again maybe :

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/hippo-attack-defence-new-book

At least i am respectful, while u should need to learn good manners...

BlueKnightShade
McAdooMarcelKeelen wrote:

I always follow Alekhine's Defense when I play with the Dark pieces and my opponent opens with

1. e2-e4. I have a few questions about lines under Alekhine's Defense and would like to have a discussion with people about a few lines I would like to understand better  If anyone would like to share, please do

So far we have seen some different input regarding the opening, but you said that you would like to have a discussion with people about a few lines you would like to understand better. Well it would make sense if you said which lines you would want to understand better, so people can discuss those lines.

ipcress12

From the comments I've read, IM poucin is interesting, polite, knowledgeable and constructive -- qualities which are often in short supply on chess.com.

I find it curious that solid participants like IM poucin and batgirl get accused of things which make no sense to me.

Thanks IM poucin!

Dodger111
Yigor wrote:
Dodger111 wrote:

Dude with your rating you really shouldn't play AleIn mykhine's Defense. Even good players have trouble with it because it ...just....sucks.....

 

In my experience, up to the rating 2000, U can start with almost everything (I often use the generator of random integers ). In addition, if someone is comfortable with hypermodern openings (the modest development waiting to strike from back ranks) then Aleknine defense is suitable too.

Guy got a rating of 1000 that is not someone that should be playing Alekhine's Def. 

chesster3145
ipcress12 wrote:

From the comments I've read, IM poucin is interesting, polite, knowledgeable and constructive -- qualities which are often in short supply on chess.com.

I find it curious that solid participants like IM poucin and batgirl get accused of things which make no sense to me.

Thanks IM poucin!

This.

penandpaper0089
Dodger111 wrote:
Yigor wrote:
Dodger111 wrote:

Dude with your rating you really shouldn't play AleIn mykhine's Defense. Even good players have trouble with it because it ...just....sucks.....

 

In my experience, up to the rating 2000, U can start with almost everything (I often use the generator of random integers ). In addition, if someone is comfortable with hypermodern openings (the modest development waiting to strike from back ranks) then Aleknine defense is suitable too.

Guy got a rating of 1000 that is not someone that should be playing Alekhine's Def. 

Yeah you're breaking way too many conventional rules to play this opening well when you'd be better off playing things that allow you to just get all your pieces out and castle.

 

That being said, I think the "easiest" way is the main line.

 

 

At least this way you can just focus on getting your pieces out.

poucin
ipcress12 a écrit :

From the comments I've read, IM poucin is interesting, polite, knowledgeable and constructive -- qualities which are often in short supply on chess.com.

I find it curious that solid participants like IM poucin and batgirl get accused of things which make no sense to me.

Thanks IM poucin!

Thanks! wink.png

Yigor
poucin wrote:
ipcress12 a écrit :

From the comments I've read, IM poucin is interesting, polite, knowledgeable and constructive -- qualities which are often in short supply on chess.com.

I find it curious that solid participants like IM poucin and batgirl get accused of things which make no sense to me.

Thanks IM poucin!

Thanks!

 

Wow our IM poucin is such a wonderful superhero with all positive qualities! blitz.pnggrin.png