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Alternative to the Ruy
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Ruy Lopez is the superior way for white to go after 2..Nc6.
Simply because,unlike the alternatives,every position arising out of it -Save for the Berlin- is good for white. And lends itself to that kind of play where he can exert an advantage. The resulting positions are also easier-more intuitive from the white side than many of the alternatives.
But OFC you have to know how to play the Ruy. If the kind of positions in eg the Scotch come to you more naturally and you do not want to study the RL,then go for that..
But it IS superior. Unless you are facing the Berlin,which is very tricky for black,requires lots of skill to play succesfully and he must clearly know what he's doing. Ie having not much previous knowledge of it it's much easier to play the Berlin with white.
Fiveofswords schreef:
Vortex_Surfer wrote:
Ruy Lopez is the superior way for white to go after 2..Nc6.
Simply because,unlike the alternatives,every position arising out of it -Save for the Berlin- is good for white. And lends itself to that kind of play where he can exert an advantage. The resulting positions are also easier-more intuitive from the white side than many of the alternatives.
But OFC you have to know how to play the Ruy. If the kind of positions in eg the Scotch come to you more naturally and you do not want to study the RL,then go for that..
But it IS superior. Unless you are facing the Berlin,which is very tricky for black,requires lots of skill to play succesfully and he must clearly know what he's doing. Ie having not much previous knowledge of it it's much easier to play the Berlin with white.
this isnt true either. THeres plenty of other lines as well where its proved difficult for white to really demonstrate an advantage. FOr example the marshall gambit. And this is no different from other logical alternatives to the ruy either...if you are trying to play black in the italian or the vienna or the scotch and you dont know what you are doing then you are in trouble. THeres a few ways for black to equalize against these openings and its requires very precise play from black. exactly the same as the ruy.
Marshall can be avoided by 8.h3!
You always have to know what you're doing,but in those other openings(=Scotch,Evans gambit..) it's simply easier and quicker to equalize than in the Berlin. It's more clear-cut.. You just need to know your opening lines and play is quite basic. Generally requires less study and skill to play these positions arising from the Evans and especially the Scotch than the Berlin with success.
The Vienna is equal and the KG favors black.
Nov 24, 2014
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#86
I played the Italian gambit against mainline novelty and got whooped :(
lolurspammed wrote:
I played the Italian gambit against mainline novelty and got whooped :(
*getting whooped 
And only because you didn't know about the "only move" 7 Bxd5
five of swords knows the ruy is objectively best, he just wants to argue.
Better players than anyone on this forum think that the ruy is the most serious try for an advantage after 3 Nc3.
As it has been known to be good for hundreds of years, and with chess being a draw after all is said and done. Of course everyone and their grandma can equalize the against the ruy the most obvious way being the berlin which may as well be a delayed petroff.
In any opening black can equalize. Hard to find a good substitute for the ruy however
What line in the Vienna do you play?
pfren schreef:
Vortex_Surfer wrote:
Marshall can be avoided by 8.h3!
So what? 8.h3 avoids the Marshall, and invites another promising gambit: 8.h3 Bb7 9.d3 d5. Actually I prefer playing that one as Black, since it is less analysed than the Marshall, and as such less drawish.
11. Nc3! Nxc3 12 bxc3 Bf6 13 Bb2 +/-
therearenonamesleft schreef:
Vortex_Surfer wrote:
pfren schreef:
Vortex_Surfer wrote:
Marshall can be avoided by 8.h3!
So what? 8.h3 avoids the Marshall, and invites another promising gambit: 8.h3 Bb7 9.d3 d5. Actually I prefer playing that one as Black, since it is less analysed than the Marshall, and as such less drawish.
11. Nc3! Nxc3 12 bxc3 Bf6 13 Bb2 +/-
I don't have any lines in front of me, but surely ...Qd6 overprotecting the e5 pawn, followed by Na5, c5, c4 gives black some compensation.
15..c5 16. Rad1 +/-
Nov 25, 2014
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#94
So basically, the ruy lopez sucks. Got it. I'll try the ponziani instead.
Nov 25, 2014
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#95
lolurspammed wrote:
So basically, the ruy lopez sucks. Got it. I'll try the ponziani instead.
I tried the Ponziani in a tournament and went 2-0 with it, albeit against weak players. I posted one of the games, and was warned by a friend (a FIDE Master) that I will regret these flirtations.
See http://chessskill.blogspot.com/2014/02/losing-my-virginity-with-ponziani.html
Nov 25, 2014
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#96
It's pointless to play 1.e4 if you aren't going to play the Ruy. Better off playing 1.d4.
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Alternative to Ruy? How 'bout d4?
The bc4 line is okay too but only of avoiding the main line with bb4 which is annoying