Beginner? Don't use this opening - It's too theoretical! Better yet, don't learn any openings!

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sndeww
Infinite_Blitz wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:
Infinite_Blitz wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:
CoolDude2467 wrote:

what's Catalan



Honestly I think the catalan is garbage if black plays d4 because the c pawn will be a free pawn since the bishop is fianchettoed so it can't take back 

You have clearly analyzed the catalan up to move five and stopped there.

show me a game 

instead, I'll show you a book about it:

https://www.amazon.com/Grandmaster-Repertoire-1A-1-d4-Catalan/dp/1907982884/ref=sr_1_6?dchild=1&keywords=catalan+chess&qid=1618159147&sr=8-6

 

e_xtacy

@CongratsUlost2me 1. e4 is really boring

e_xtacy

i mean @CongoratsUlost2me

Infinite_Blitz
little_guinea_pig wrote:
Infinite_Blitz wrote:

Which means if you play the benko gambit you'll be a pawn down with no advantage in anything

obviously you can't play the benko

and beginner can't either

Musikamole

I learn theory as I go. It doesn't matter if I know the name of the opening. I just look for the first mistake, fix it, enter the move into my ever expanding document titled Amateur Opening Repertoire (AOE). 

I'm not at a rating where book moves are played out or remembered past move ten anyway, most of the time. 

Born2slaYer
CoolDude2467 wrote:

@CongratsUlost2me 1. e4 is really boring

yeah it is 

I feel if we want to play e4 you have to first go through all complex lines and learn them.(Especially Sicilian)

In d4 you just have to play on your intution and tactically.

Infinite_Blitz
CongoratsUlost2me wrote:
CoolDude2467 wrote:

@CongratsUlost2me 1. e4 is really boring

yeah it is 

I feel if we want to play e4 you have to first go through all complex lines and learn them.(Especially Sicilian)

In d4 you just have to play on your intution and tactically.

not true, just learn the grand prix or alapin and you won't need to do that

sndeww
Infinite_Blitz wrote:
little_guinea_pig wrote:
Infinite_Blitz wrote:

Which means if you play the benko gambit you'll be a pawn down with no advantage in anything

obviously you can't play the benko

and beginner can't either

and beginner can't play against it either! so it's an even playing ground.

Lord_Ultron

learn a bit of theory at first. the rest u learn automatically bit by bit from your games (if u analyse them properly)

sndeww
royalknight101 wrote:
CongoratsUlost2me wrote:
CoolDude2467 wrote:

@CongratsUlost2me 1. e4 is really boring

yeah it is 

I feel if we want to play e4 you have to first go through all complex lines and learn them.(Especially Sicilian)

In d4 you just have to play on your intution and tactically.

if you play d4 you are actually boring cause its just drawish and there is no real fire to it kind of like the london in where you get a good flexible position but thats really it. if you play E4 that just shows you really want to win as its double-edged, brute force, and pretty much there is a likely chance that it will always end as a win or a loss which is arguably better

e4 is like trying to crack open a password by brute force, while d4-c4 (not anything else) or just c4, it's like using a rainbow table to crack passwords. And if you don't know what a rainbow table is, that's the point. tongue.png

sndeww
royalknight101 wrote:

exactly whats the point in trying to be lazy to get a draw when you could actually fight for something in the position. thats why life is risky, we all must learn to take chances cause even if they arent good, what kind of life would it be where we just do something that only makes it worse for us.

bruh did you even read my post, rainbow tables are infinitely better at cracking passwords than using a supercomputer brute force.

sndeww

lol. d4-c4 is not drawish, it's only drawish if black wants to draw.

Lord_Ultron

just an off-topic question: which kind of hacking attempt is avoided (mostly) by passwords longer than 14 constants?

sndeww

d4-c4 against Nf6 leads to some of the most strategic play in chess.

fleshlumpeater
Infinite_Blitz wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:
Infinite_Blitz wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:
CoolDude2467 wrote:

what's Catalan



Honestly I think the catalan is garbage if black plays d4 because the c pawn will be a free pawn since the bishop is fianchettoed so it can't take back 

You have clearly analyzed the catalan up to move five and stopped there.

show me a game 

i play the catalan.....

DasBurner
Infinite_Blitz wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:
Infinite_Blitz wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:
CoolDude2467 wrote:

what's Catalan



Honestly I think the catalan is garbage if black plays d4 because the c pawn will be a free pawn since the bishop is fianchettoed so it can't take back 

You have clearly analyzed the catalan up to move five and stopped there.

show me a game 


Edit: Second example doesn't work immediately but it's a very common move in the Catalan to win that pawn back

Infinite_Blitz
B1ZMARK wrote:
Infinite_Blitz wrote:
little_guinea_pig wrote:
Infinite_Blitz wrote:

Which means if you play the benko gambit you'll be a pawn down with no advantage in anything

obviously you can't play the benko

and beginner can't either

and beginner can't play against it either! so it's an even playing ground.

Of course they can. They might not know theory but they get an extra pawn.

sndeww
Infinite_Blitz wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:
Infinite_Blitz wrote:
little_guinea_pig wrote:
Infinite_Blitz wrote:

Which means if you play the benko gambit you'll be a pawn down with no advantage in anything

obviously you can't play the benko

and beginner can't either

and beginner can't play against it either! so it's an even playing ground.

Of course they can. They might not know theory but they get an extra pawn.

It’s very easy for white to fall into a passive position, and material considerations then become secondary.

Infinite_Blitz
DaBabysSideTing wrote:
Infinite_Blitz wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:
Infinite_Blitz wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:
CoolDude2467 wrote:

what's Catalan



Honestly I think the catalan is garbage if black plays d4 because the c pawn will be a free pawn since the bishop is fianchettoed so it can't take back 

You have clearly analyzed the catalan up to move five and stopped there.

show me a game 


Edit: Second example doesn't work immediately but it's a very common move in the Catalan to win that pawn back

the queen on c4 doesn't look very safe.

sndeww

And neither does the black pawn in c4!